Re: M11 Speech Input

I'm not sure I agree... I want to... The definition of a label doesn't say
it has to be visible, and we have the example with a title attribute in F65
and example 2 has a three part phone number ... and two of the inputs don't
have visible labels to correspond to the title...

label

text <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#textdef> or other
component with a text alternative
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#text-altdef> that is
presented to a user to identify a component within Web content
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#contentdef>




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On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
wrote:

> > I don't think we have a requirement now for a visible label. I wish we
> did...
>
> SC 3.3.2 requires a visual label but not require it to be text.     It
> could be an icon.
>
> Jon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 15, 2016, at 4:17 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> I don't think we have a requirement now for a visible label. I wish we
> did...
>
> For instance we allow the "title" attribute on inputs to serve as the
> label... (which I've never been in favour of)
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H65.html
>
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> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden RTF <
> gregg@raisingthefloor.org> wrote:
>
>> Isn’t that already covered by the SC requiring  the label to be
>> “programatically determinable”.
>>
>> 1.3.1 requires all information presented visually   to be PD   (and the
>> label is presented visually).
>>
>> the intent of 1.3.1 was that any information not already PD because of
>> 1.1.1  - be PD.
>>
>> *gregg*
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 5:29 AM, Kathy Wahlbin <kathy@interactiveaccessibilit
>> y.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Greg –
>>
>> We will be discussing this on the call on Thursday but other than
>> keyboard access (which is already covered under 2.1.1), a user cannot
>> directly access a control using speech directly is when the name of a
>> control does not include the visual name (e.g. a button is visually labeled
>> as continue but in the code is it submit).  This can be controlled in the
>> content and would be a technique of this proposed SC.
>>
>> Kathy
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>> *From:* Gregg Vanderheiden RTF [mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org
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>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:47 AM
>> *To:* Kathy Wahlbin <kathyw@ia11y.com>
>> *Cc:* public-mobile-a11y-tf@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Re: M11 Speech Input
>>
>> agree with removal of keyboard — it takes the focus away from the real
>> goal of the SC and it redundant with 2.1.1
>>
>> question:
>>
>>    - are you talking about speech input to the content?   or to the
>>    device?
>>    - If you are talking about speech input to the device — I don’t see
>>    how the content could possibly do this.   The content would have no idea
>>    that anyone was using speech input to the mobile device.    such and SC
>>    would mean that content could never play music or talk to the user -
>>    because both could interfere with speech input.
>>    - Not interfering with speech input is something the DEVICE needs to
>>    do.  for example — when you select to speak into the device - the device
>>    can mute the output from the content.   But the content itself has no idea
>>    when this is happening.
>>
>>
>> What do you propose as as success criteria (that content can do)  to meet
>> this requirement  (other than never making andy sound or speech output
>> itself)  ?
>>
>>
>> Gregg C Vanderheiden
>> greggvan@umd.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2016, at 10:57 PM, Kathy Wahlbin <kathyw@ia11y.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi –
>>
>> In looking over the proposed SCs, I think we need to update the text of
>> the SC for Speech Input.  Keyboard access is already required under 2.1.1
>> so we do not need to require it here.
>>
>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposed_Speech_Input
>>
>> *Current SC Text:*
>>
>> All functionality of the content (including touch and gesture) is
>> operable through the keyboard, and does not obstruct a user’s ability to
>> access the keyboard commands through speech input.
>>
>> *Recommended Update to SC Text:*
>>
>> All functionality of the content does not obstruct a user’s ability to
>> access the commands through speech input.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Kathy
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