Re: Tweak 2.5.3

We've revised the proposed 2.5.3 Touch Up Activation.

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposed_revision_of_2.5.3#Proposed_2.5.3

On the call we felt it was ready to bring to the larger WCAG group for
further consideration on April 26

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:48 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> +1
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Gregg Vanderheiden <
> gregg@raisingthefloor.org> wrote:
>
>> The WCAG used the following formulation   (if this is helpful to you )
>>
>> The SC needs to be met by the web page  with the assumption that the user
>> is using commonly available AT and access features commonly available in
>> browsers.
>>
>> The "programmatically determined” phrase is key to the AT support.
>> Anything where the SC addressed a problem through AT - the term
>> programmatically determined was use to cover both AT and access features in
>> browsers.
>>
>>
>>
>> *gregg*
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Chris McMeeking <chris.mcmeeking@deque.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> You're correct, it is very relevant.  However, not when considering
>> whether a success criteria is a criteria or not.  But, whether or not such
>> a criteria is enforced on a given platform in a given situation, etc.  If
>> you want to go out there and test every criteria against all combinations
>> of browsers (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Internet Explorer (6, 7, 8, 9))
>> against all possible ATs (Jaws, NVDA, VoiceOver, ChromeVox, TalkBack,
>> VoiceOver (iOS)) you are never going to have 100% compliance.  Are you
>> suggesting we scrap all of WCag because nobody can possible conform?
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/04/2016 16:03, Chris McMeeking wrote:
>>>
>>>> The user agent vs AT vs webpage/app as the "responsible party" for a
>>>> conformance to a criteria I find irrelevant as it pertains to the
>>>> formation of a criteria.  Saying that the user agent "should be
>>>> responsible" is all fine.  That doesn't mean that it's not part of the
>>>> criteria.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But as the criteria are part of the Web Content guidelines, meaning that
>>> they're the responsibility of the web content developer to ensure, it IS
>>> relevant - if these are things that are simply out of the developer's
>>> control, or issues relating to global settings (which I don't believe can
>>> be successfully mandated for each and every site/app, or they'll simply be
>>> ignored), developers will not be able to satisfy the SC. Then what?
>>>
>>>
>>> P
>>> --
>>> Patrick H. Lauke
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Received on Thursday, 7 April 2016 16:12:35 UTC