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minutes of 2011-03-23 teleconference

From: RaphaŽl Troncy <raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr>
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:57:18 +0100
Message-ID: <4D89C3FE.4040405@eurecom.fr>
To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
Dear all,

The minutes of today's phone telecon are available for review at 
http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format
below).

The short executive summary is:
   - Tables for reviewing test cases for UA 
(http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases) and Server 
(http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases) are 
ready. There are built from rdf files
   - Suggest to dedicate April 6 telecon to review those tables with 
EVERYBODY
   - Suggest to organize a telecon with Adisson to solve ISSUE-17
   - Suggest to organize a telecon with Bernhard Haslofer to solve ISSUE-21
   - No telecon next week due to WWW 2011 in India
Best regards,

   RaphaŽl

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    [1]W3C
       [1] http://www.w3.org/
              Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
23 Mar 2011
    [2]Agenda
       [2] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Mar/0027.html
    See also: [3]IRC log
       [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-irc
Attendees
    Present
           Yves, Davy, Thomas, Raphael, Philip_(irc)
    Regrets
           Erik
    Chair
           Raphael
    Scribe
           Raphael
Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]1. Admin
          2. [6]2. HTML5 Bugs
          3. [7]3. WhatWG Liaison
          4. [8]4. Test Cases
          5. [9]5. Other ISSUES
          6. [10]6. AOB
      * [11]Summary of Action Items
      _________________________________________________________

    <trackbot> Date: 23 March 2011

    <scribe> scribe: Raphael

    <scribe> scribenick: raphael

1. Admin

    PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last week telecon,
    [12]http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-mediafrag-minutes.html

      [12] http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-mediafrag-minutes.html

    +1

    <Yves> +1

    <davy> +1

    minutes accepted

    ACTION-205?

    <trackbot> ACTION-205 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to send the MF
    clarification text to the HTML mailinglist -- due 2010-12-15 --
    CLOSED

    <trackbot>
    [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/205

      [13] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/205

    <tomayac> +1

    ACTION-215?

    <trackbot> ACTION-215 -- Erik Mannens to poke people and encourage
    them to join the telecons -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/215

      [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/215

    Davy ???

    <tomayac> yeah, phone is dead

    <tomayac> hearing now

    <Yves> nobody can hear you raphae

    <tomayac> raphaŽl muted again :-(

    <tomayac> yes

2. HTML5 Bugs

    ACTION-213?

    <trackbot> ACTION-213 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to submit the proposed list
    of bugs to HTML5 -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/213

      [15] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/213

    <scribe> ... pending?

3. WhatWG Liaison

    Hixie sugestion:
    [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0436.htm
    l

      [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0436.html

    scribe: related to the MultiTrack API, and issue 152,
    [17]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
    ... the main questions for Philip: is there consensus for this
    proposal in the WG?

      [17] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152

4. Test Cases

    Davy: test cases for the spatial dimension have been added yesterday
    ... Philip has also proposed some nasty test cases, that will be
    added next week to the suite
    ... the unit tests are also based on Thomas test cases from his js
    implementation
    ... I'm considering also test cases for the track dimension
    ... regarding the automatic test cases framework, it should be ready
    by next week to test

    <davy>
    [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases

      [18] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases

    Davy: I encourage you to use Chrome because there is a lot of
    javascript

    <davy>
    [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases#TC000
    3-UA

      [19] 
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases#TC0003-UA

    Davy: each test case has its own URI
    ... this page is made for reviewing the test cases!
    ... the last column is the status from the group

    <tomayac> the uris of the test cases are not exposed to the ui, are
    they?

    Davy: we should review them and correct them if necessary
    ... good point, I will put those links in the HTML version from the
    first column
    ... it is also read only

    <davy>
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases.rdf

      [20] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases.rdf

    Davy: generated from the rdf version

    <davy>
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases

      [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases

    Davy: another tool will enable to launch a test suite over a
    particular implementation, should be ready in 2 weeks from now

    Raphael: summary, we have two large tables to review
    ... built from two rdf files

    <tomayac> fsck, the connection seems too slow, raphael is almost
    ununderstandable

    <tomayac> terminator voice? raphael has a terminator voice

    Raphael: question is how should we proceed to review those 2 large
    tables ?

    <tomayac> bandwidth...

    Raphael: option 1: during a plenary telecon with _everybody_
    (preferred by Yves)
    ... option 2: distributed among group members that report on them in
    a telecon

    <tomayac> +1 for opt1

    +1 for option 1

    <tomayac> makes clarification easier in case of doubts

    <tomayac> (redialing)

    Raphael: next week is WWW conference, most likely will cancel the
    telecon
    ... wondering if we could review all test cases on April 6

    Thomas: I will not be here

    Raphael: excellent work Davy

5. Other ISSUES

    ISSUE-21?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-21 -- Expressing complex regions with a reference
    in Media Fragments URI -- open

    <trackbot>
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/21

      [22] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/21

    Thomas: the use case makes sense
    ... I'm not sure if there is not security issue with their proposal

    Yves: I tend to be against it, because this reference could
    break/conflict with existing dimensions

    Davy: this reminds me of the whole discussion about extensibility
    ... can we answer this is considered for version 2 ?

    <Yves> they can encode the SVG in EXI to make it small, then encode
    it

    <Yves> but it would need an extension as exi is not utf-8

    Thomas: perhaps we could come up with a subset of svg that narrows
    more the scope of the complex spatial fragment
    ... this would require to precisely specify which regions we want,
    2D only?, circles, polygons

    Raphael: tracking images over the time?

    Thomas: CSS has animations, do they consider this?

    Raphael: we could invite one representant of this use case in a
    upcoming telecon

    <tomayac> hoping not to open a pandora box...

6. AOB

    <tomayac> [23]http://tomayac.com/mediafragments/mediafragments.html

      [23] http://tomayac.com/mediafragments/mediafragments.html

    Summary: we need to have a telecon for reviewing test cases, a
    telecon with Adisson for I18N, a telecon with Europeana for
    discussing ISSUE-21
    ... so we need MORE people MORE often

    Raphael: for Safari bug, ping eric.carlson@apple.com and
    singer@apple.com

    <tomayac> pardon my ignorance ;-)

    No telecon next week because of the WWW conference

    Next telecon is on April 6th

Summary of Action Items

    [End of minutes]
      _________________________________________________________

-- 
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