- From: Raphaël Troncy <raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr>
- Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:15:01 +0200
- To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
Dear all, The minutes of today's phone telecon are available for review at http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format below). Raphaël ----------- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference 22 Jun 2011 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jun/0029.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-irc Attendees Present Chris, Raphael, Davy, Silvia, Yves, Philip Regrets Thomas, Erik Chair Raphael Scribe raphael Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]1. Admin 2. [6]2. SPEC MAINTENANCE 3. [7]3. HTML5 Bugs 4. [8]4. Splitting out the spec? 5. [9]5. AOB * [10]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 22 June 2011 1. Admin PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last week telecon, [11]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-mediafrag-minutes.html [11] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-mediafrag-minutes.html <davy> +1 <silvia> +1 <Yves> +1 +1 minutes accepted 2. SPEC MAINTENANCE ACTION-225? <trackbot> ACTION-225 -- Davy Van Deursen to edit the specification and in particular section 6 to reflect this entire discussion -- due 2011-06-22 -- OPEN <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/225 [12] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/225 close ACTION-225 <trackbot> ACTION-225 Edit the specification and in particular section 6 to reflect this entire discussion closed <doublec> Zakim: who is here? ACTION-226? <trackbot> ACTION-226 -- Davy Van Deursen to edit the spec again to switch back to "ID" for the 4th dimension -- due 2011-06-22 -- OPEN <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/226 [13] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/226 close ACTION-226 <trackbot> ACTION-226 Edit the spec again to switch back to "ID" for the 4th dimension closed ACTION-224? <trackbot> ACTION-224 -- Raphaël Troncy to send a reply to the 4 commenters -- due 2011-06-15 -- OPEN <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/224 [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/224 First one: Silvia who asked for using the js library for having a validator <scribe> ACTION: thomas to develop the validator page using his js library for media fragments [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - Develop the validator page using his js library for media fragments [on Thomas Steiner - due 2011-06-29]. Second one: [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Ma y/0037.html [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011May/0037.html scribe: from Chris ... except for the loop, all other comments have been adressed Chris: I confirm Third one: Boris and Fantasai The CSS3 spec mentions media fragment: [17]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/#url [17] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/#url The SVG 1.1 spec: [18]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/struct.html#Overview [18] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/struct.html#Overview Silvia: I would like to come back to Chris bugs ... we confirmed a number of things, but what has been implemented already? ... but Ian's resolution of some HTML5 bugs goes against this ... so what has been actually implemented Chris: I might have have a version to release this Friday <doublec> silvia: what bugs are different to what's discussed in the email? Yves: at the last TAG meeting, we discuss fragments in general ... the SVG fragment itself (viewport) though it is not a XPointer ... the fragment as defined in XML ... the image that re-uses our media fragment syntax <Yves> [19]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/linking.html#SVGFragmentIdentifiers [19] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/linking.html#SVGFragmentIdentifiers SVGview has a XPointer like syntax Yves: the fact we are always using an equal sign, means we don't generate XML id, so no conflict possible ... not something that can be interpreted in different ways by 2 different processors Raphael: should we discuss with CSS or SVG or Hypertext CG? Yves: go for CG ... point out the 2 threads, and let us know if there are issues ... so a request for review from the CG <scribe> ACTION: troncy to bring the CSS/SVG/Media Fragments possible issues to the CG group [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-229 - Bring the CSS/SVG/Media Fragments possible issues to the CG group [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-06-29]. ACTION-224? <trackbot> ACTION-224 -- Raphaël Troncy to send a reply to the 4 commenters -- due 2011-06-15 -- OPEN <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/224 [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/224 close ACTION-224 <trackbot> ACTION-224 Send a reply to the 4 commenters closed 3. HTML5 Bugs [22]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723 [22] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723 Should a UA stop playing at the end of a media fragment Raphael: stop or actually pause depending on the implementation? This bug is WONTFIX stage, and points to [23]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12643 [23] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12643 Chris: I can re-open the bug once my implementation is here Raphael: I'm for re-opening the bug once we have example of implementations that contradict Hixie's thought ... e.g. Mozilla and Opera [24]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12643 [24] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12643 Raphael: a new bug Silvia: unsure it concerns that much media fragment [25]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12426 [25] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12426 Raphael: looping over media fragments ... for hixie, looping means playing from the start of the media, ignoring the fragment Silvia: Thomas sent numerous use cases <Yves> but with the fragment, the requested media is the fragment Raphael: indeed, [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Ju n/0038.html [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jun/0038.html Chris: we wait for the spec clarification Silvia: as soon as there is user interaction, the media fragments goes away ... I'm not sure loop will be widely implemented anyway ... since most of the behavior could be done in js <silvia> … I'm in support of deprecating the loop attribute altogether :-) Raphael: Thomas wants to re-open this bug ... Chris and Philip think that loop should be deprecated anyway [27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12425 [27] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12425 <Yves> silvia, it might be a possibility yes Should the UI (and UX) playing a temporal media fragment be standardized? <Yves> I agree with Hixie that this is UA specific Raphael: I think Hixie is right, this is not really our business Silvia: I agree with that too Raphael: I will close this bug, we accept this resolution [28]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12427 [28] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12427 Raphael: Hixie is saying that this depends on the MIME type of the resource so not HTML5 business Silvia: don't do anything, depends on discussion with CSS/SVG group discussions Raphael: I did generate diff files [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spe c/lc1-lc2-diff.htm [29] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/lc1-lc2-diff.htm [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spe c/lc2-cr-diff.htm [30] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/lc2-cr-diff.htm 4. Splitting out the spec? Against splitting: Silvia, Raphael For splitting: Yves (rationale = don't put several ways of doing the same thing) <Yves> yes, as it is bad for interop <davy> I'm also against splitting the spec Raphael: Philip seems to want that the HTTP part gets out of the spec <Yves> section 5.2 <doublec> sorry phone problems <doublec> pointer to thread about split? Chris: [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Ju n/0021.html [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jun/0021.html <silvia> how about doing a questionnaire? <Yves> +1 <scribe> ACTION: troncy to open a questionnaire for splitting out or not (the section 5.2 of) the spec [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-230 - Open a questionnaire for splitting out or not (the section 5.2 of) the spec [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-06-29]. 5. AOB Raphael: I will put the media fragments list in cc for the exchange with the hypertext CG ... goal is then to answer the questionnaire and vote for transitioning next week Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: thomas to develop the validator page using his js library for media fragments [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: troncy to bring the CSS/SVG/Media Fragments possible issues to the CG group [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: troncy to open a questionnaire for splitting out or not (the section 5.2 of) the spec [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ -- Raphaël Troncy EURECOM, Multimedia Communications Department 2229, route des Crêtes, 06560 Sophia Antipolis, France. e-mail: raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr & raphael.troncy@gmail.com Tel: +33 (0)4 - 9300 8242 Fax: +33 (0)4 - 9000 8200 Web: http://www.eurecom.fr/~troncy/
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