- From: Raphaël Troncy <raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr>
- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:52:10 +0200
- To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
Dear all,
The minutes of today's telecon are available for review at
http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format
below).
Best regards,
Raphaël
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
20 Oct 2010
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Oct/0013.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-mediafrag-irc
Attendees
Present
Philip, raphael, davy, jack_(irc), silvia
Regrets
Erik, Jack
Chair
Raphael
Scribe
raphael
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]1. Admin
2. [6]2. MEDIA FRAGMENT EXTENSION
3. [7]3. Implementation experiment
4. [8]4. AOB
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 20 October 2010
<scribe> Scribe: raphael
<scribe> Scribenick: raphael
1. Admin
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 06 October 2010 telecon
[10]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/06-mediafrag-minutes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2010/10/06-mediafrag-minutes.html
<foolip> +1
<davy> +1
minutes are accepted
ACTION-185?
<trackbot> ACTION-185 -- Yves Lafon to book zakim for the 2 days
meeting of the group on Mon 1st and Tue 2nd Nov -- due 2010-09-29 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/185
[11] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/185
<foolip> November 1 and 2, any time between 0800 and 1800 in UTC+2
Raphael: for Silvia and Philip, could you write down time slot where
we can phone you
<silvia> Monday is better for me than Tuesday - it's both in the
afternoon/evening for me, I think
<foolip> in other words, any time is fine, since I'm in the same
timezone as TPAC
<silvia> if you start early, I can join in the mornings
2. MEDIA FRAGMENT EXTENSION
ACTION-189?
<trackbot> ACTION-189 -- Raphaël Troncy to put the top-level
production rules back into the document (in section 4.3.5 or 4.1) --
due 2010-10-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[12]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/189
[12] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/189
<silvia> ok
<foolip> can't say anything until I see the actual suggestion for
the spec
Raphael: I will implement the ACTION-189 in the spec and ask all the
group if we can close this issue
3. Implementation experiment
Raphael: problem with pixels, are we talking about physical pixels
or css pixels?
Silvia: pixels in video are always a problem
Raphael: I'm looking for a reference that we could use so that any
developers understand what we are talking about
Philip: this definition is provided by HTML5 and not CSS
<foolip>
[13]http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/vide
o.html#concept-video-intrinsic-width
[13]
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html#concept-video-intrinsic-width
<foolip>
[14]http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/video.html#concept-video-intrinsic-
width
[14]
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/video.html#concept-video-intrinsic-width
<scribe> ACTION: troncy to update our spec to talk about video
intrinsic width [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-190 - Update our spec to talk about video
intrinsic width [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-10-27].
<foolip> well, there's an issue we discussed at FOMS
Davy: this issue is solved
<foolip> ah :)
Davy: there is indeed too many byte ranges to send to the UA
<foolip> do you always redirect, or just when number of ranges > n ?
Davy: therefore, we send a redirect pointing to a media fragment
with the ?
<foolip> always seems simpler :)
Davy: currently, always redirect
Raphael: the UA issues a new request with the query parameter
Davy: yes, and we had a Link header pointing to the master resource
Philip: we could implement that but I really wonder if it is useful
... we will always need a specialized server
... so the query parameter migt be enough
Davy: there are other scenarios where the # is useful
... we should have both
... even if in the retrieval scenario, the # will always be
converted into the ?
Philip: what should we do with the name dimension
Davy: in MP4, refer to the cue points; in Matroska, refer to the
chapters names
Philip: OK, yes the chapters are part of WebM
<silvia> and Ogg can have chapters through a srt chapter track in
Ogg Kate
Raphael: ok, so it seems important that we cover the name dimension
even if it is limited to chapter names!
... last issue from Philip, make the hour optional in specifying the
time dimension
... currently, we need one or two digits
... but most clips have duration less than 1 hour
... but the grammar will be more complicated
... because we could then have just one digit for the minutes
Philip: in WebSRT, the hours are optional
Raphael: I suggest we discuss this at the F2F
<silvia> I would support that if you can find a grammar to describe
it correctly - it's also more complicated to implement then, btw
Look at the demos at
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/code/plugin/demos/
[16] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/code/plugin/demos/
Davy: yes, Ninsuna understands range request with SMPTE time codes
... and answers with smpte time codes
... though I need to check
Yes Silvia, that's also our conclusion, re the grammar
scribe: the questio is who is willing to work out this more complex
grammar? I suggest to hack this during the f2f but if you want to
work on it before, please feel free
<silvia> do it with Yves - he is good at that stuff :)
4. AOB
no other topic to discuss
meeting adjourned
<foolip> ok, about the syntax then
<foolip> it's be simplest to just say that all components are 1 or 2
digits
<foolip> ugly, but simpler, and simple is good :)
:-)
<foolip> but let's discuss that further later
we will see what the grammar should loook like, indeed, Yves might
be able to sort that out elegantly
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: troncy to update our spec to talk about video
intrinsic width [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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Raphaël Troncy
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