- From: Davy Van Deursen <davy.vandeursen@ugent.be>
- Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:22:35 +0200
- To: "'Media Fragment'" <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <00d701caf1bd$0a94fe50$1fbefaf0$@vandeursen@ugent.be>
Dear all, the minutes of today’s telecom are at <http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html> http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html and in text format below. Best regards, Davy ------------ [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference 12 May 2010 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0020.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-irc Attendees Present Erik, Davy, Raphael, Silvia Regrets Michael Chair Erik, Raphael Scribe Davy Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]1. Admin 2. [6]2. Use Cases and Requirements 3. [7]3. Specification 4. [8]4. AOB? * [9]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 12 May 2010 1. Admin <raphael> Scribe: Davy <scribe> scribenick: davy Raphael: no full attendance at teleconf :-( <raphael> Previous telecon: [10]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/14-mediafrag-minutes.html [10] http://www.w3.org/2010/04/14-mediafrag-minutes.html Raphael: if people do not like the decisions we take at the teleconfs, they should discuss this on the mailing list <raphael> ... [11]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediafrag-minutes.html [11] http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediafrag-minutes.html <raphael> ... [12]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-mediafrag-minutes.html [12] http://www.w3.org/2010/05/05-mediafrag-minutes.html <silvia> +1 +1 <erik> +1 <raphael> +1 for accepting these minutes RESOLUTION: minutes accepted <raphael> ACTION-92 ? <trackbot> ACTION-92 -- Erik Mannens to erik and Raphael to coordinate the writing of papers -- due 2010-04-28 -- OPEN <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/92 [13] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/92 raphael: some parts of the paper might be a good starting point for uncomplete sections in the spec close action-92 <trackbot> ACTION-92 Erik and Raphael to coordinate the writing of papers closed raphael: next F2F meeting decision -> postpone it to next week erik: even if we are just with 4 or 5 people and other people on the phone, we should have a meeting RESOLUTION: next F2F meeting will be organized at 15-16 June in Eurecom <scribe> ACTION: troncy to provide practical information for the next F2F [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-162 - Provide practical information for the next F2F [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-05-19]. 2. Use Cases and Requirements <raphael> ACTION-156? <trackbot> ACTION-156 -- Conrad Parker to add a "bandwidth conservation use case" -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/156 [15] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/156 <raphael> Conrad, could you update us on this ? <silvia> conrad, are you still there? 3. Specification discussing the editorship policy of the specification <raphael> Raphael: curently 2 groups (editors and contributors) while these roles are not really defined by W3C, not consistently used depending on the spec <raphael> ... Suggest that Silvia and Davy jump to the editors group, they have edited most of the spec <raphael> ... Suggest to talk with other contributors on the phone regarding their role in the spec (for example, Yves contributed a lot of text some months ago) <raphael> ... I will apply the changes on the spec <raphael> ACTION-161? <trackbot> ACTION-161 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to integrate the test cases into the spec -- due 2010-04-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/161 [16] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/161 Silvia: waiting for a few issues that are still issues ... 1. #t=a,a and a >= 0 (#2) ... is an empty fragment ... if we send it to the server, we get a 416 ... question is whether the client should send it to the server or not, since it can detect there will be an error raphael: empty fragment -> UA cannot display anything <raphael> Silvia: we need to have a consistent reaction of media fragment aware browsers <raphael> ... for legacy browsers, they will react as for HTML <raphael> Discussion about the empty fragment such as #t=a,a when a>=0 <raphael> Silvia: the UA still sends a range request and should get back an error 416 <raphael> Davy: but the UA knows it is a semantic error, why sending a request at all ? <raphael> Silvia: the UA could simply do nothing ... irritating, but this is happening with HTML <raphael> ... the fragment is not interpreted ? <raphael> ... we could just get the header data of the media file, but stop, not downloading any content ! <raphael> ... for example, a Range Request with an empty fragment and only "include-setup" <raphael> ... the server sends the header data of the media resource <raphael> ... with a 206 Partial Content for the header data raphael: we could apply this solution for the three cases <raphael> Similar solution for all non-existent or illegal fragments <raphael> ... see cases detailed at [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Ma y/0021.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0021.html <scribe> ACTION: troncy to send a resolution on handling non-existing or illegal fragments to the mailinglist [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-163 - Send a resolution on handling non-existing or illegal fragments to the mailinglist [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-05-19]. close action-161 <trackbot> ACTION-161 Integrate the test cases into the spec closed <raphael> ACTIOn-154 ? <trackbot> ACTION-154 -- Yves Lafon to add a section 5.2.4 describing his new optimization -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN <trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/154 [19] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/154 <raphael> Raphael: we have described this recipe in the paper and we have the figure <raphael> Raphael: I have a plugin for firefox, works with ninsuna with videos already ingested <raphael> ... will send the version to Davy and Silvia for testing now <raphael> ... + a readme :-) <raphael> Davy: work on making Ninsuna acting as a proxy <raphael> Raphael: add a parameter in the proxy to specify a proxy ... so get media fragments URI on any MP4 videos on the web <raphael> RESOLUTION: re-allocate ACTION-154 to Davy <raphael> ACTION-123? <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Yves Lafon to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123 [20] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123 Action-123? <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Yves Lafon to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123 [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123 <raphael> RESOLUTION: re-allocate ACTION-123 to Silvia <raphael> Silvia: I think we should go to LC even if all the features are not resolved <raphael> ... in order to get more feedback <raphael> Raphael: agree, f2f meeting mid-June and then LC request end of June 4. AOB? [adjourned] Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: troncy to provide practical information for the next F2F [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: troncy to send a resolution on handling non-existing or illegal fragments to the mailinglist [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [24]scribe.perl version 1.135 ([25]CVS log) $Date: 2010/05/12 09:56:39 $ [24] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [25] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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