- From: Raphaël Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:07:53 +0200
- To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
- CC: Yves Lafon <ylafon@w3.org>
All,
The minutes of today's telecon are available for review at
http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format
below). Thanks Michael for the scribing. Yves, could you please remove
the DRAFT in the minutes ?
We have given 3 actions:
* ACTION-80: Conrad to Provide some rational and use cases for his
proposal
* ACTION-81: Michael to update the TC discussion page with 204
proposal and ask Yves's opinion on the list
* ACTION-82: Michael to flesh out TC vocabulary re ISSUE-9
and one more ISSUE has been raised:
* ISSUE-10: Media Fragments Test Case Maintenance
We should have this week some thread discussion on the mailing list for
better understanding and comparing Conrad's proposal and the current one
as written in the WD.
Cheers!
Raphaël
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
20 May 2009
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009May/0029.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-mediafrag-irc
Attendees
Present
raphael, mhausenblas, +0329331aaaa, davy, silvia, conrad,
gui, +20592aabb, jackjansen, +1.818.061.aacc, +081806143aadd
Regrets
Erik
Chair
Raphael
Scribe
mhausenblas
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ADMIN
2. [6]UC & REQUIREMENTS
3. [7]SPECIFICATION
4. [8]TEST CASES (Michael)
5. [9]ISSUES
6. [10]IMPLEMENTATION
7. [11]AOB
* [12]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 20 May 2009
Previous: 2009-05-13 [13]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-mediafrag-irc
[13] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-mediafrag-irc
<scribe> Scribenick: mhausenblas
<conrad> heh
<jackjansen> on my way
ADMIN
raphael: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 13 May 2009 telecon:
[14]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-mediafrag-minutes.html
[14] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-mediafrag-minutes.html
<davy> +1
+1
<raphael> +1
<Gui> +1
raphael: minutes approved
ACTION-66
ACTION-66?
<trackbot> ACTION-66 -- Jack Jansen to look at the organisation of
the 4th F2F meeting in Amsterdam on September 17-18 (just after IBC)
-- due 2009-04-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/66
[15] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/66
close ACTION-66
<trackbot> ACTION-66 Look at the organisation of the 4th F2F meeting
in Amsterdam on September 17-18 (just after IBC) closed
raphael: what shall we do jackjansen?
jackjansen: not so much in a hurry. after IBC things here in A'dam
are normal again
... that is we can wait a bit
raphael: so we can wait till end of June
jackjansen: silvia, we didn't pick the slot due to IBC in the first
place
... but we wanted to have somethin in 09/2009
... other question. is any other place/time doable for the
Aussies/SAfricans?
raphael: alternative proposal was SAMT09, Graz, Austria
Michael: not sure if it makes sense to rehash that topic
raphael: we will ensure to have more virtual meetings as well
... the September meeting is still an option
... will be decided by end of June
UC & REQUIREMENTS
raphael: no progress so far, will be done ASAP
SPECIFICATION
<conrad>
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_HTTP_Co
mmunication#Conrad.27s_proposal
[16]
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_HTTP_Communication#Conrad.27s_proposal
UA Server HTTP Communication (Conrad/Raphael)
conrad explains his proposal
raphael: question regarding Accept-Range-Refer is similar to the
original proposal?
... how is the conversion between sec and bytes done
<conrad> bah
<raphael> My first observation: Accept-Range-Refer ~= Accept-Ranges
AND Range-refer ~= Range HTTP headers
Michael: same here
<Gui> what I remember from Conrad proposal is : 1. clarification on
the order of fallback mechanisms and 2. more verbose HTTP headers
raphael: 1. question is sec to bytes conversion
conrad: Server is authoritative re conversion
silvia: we should have a comparison of the three proposals on the
table
... and having Yves on board would certainly help
raphael: now we should focus on the # solution, move ? to the bottom
jackjansen: I think we should keep the two as it might help
establishing backwards compatibility, right conrad?
conrad: correct
raphael: ok, but we still need an overview table comparing the
proposals
... I also miss the number of roundtrips
... seems always one, no?
conrad: no, there are further requests
ACTION-63?
<trackbot> ACTION-63 -- Conrad Parker to update the Wiki with his
more general approach with precisely the same examples -- due
2009-04-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/63
[17] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/63
jackjansen: please give also a rational for it, esp. re the use
cases you have in mind
<scribe> ACTION: Conrad to provide some rational and use cases for
his proposal [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Provide some rationalee and use cases
for his proposal [on Conrad Parker - due 2009-05-27].
<jackjansen> s/ups/oops
<jackjansen> :-)
UA MF Resolution and Processing: (Michael)
work continues
raphael: so we continue to discuss via email
TEST CASES (Michael)
raphael: we started to go through the TC last week
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases
[19] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases
<jackjansen> url?
ACTION-79?
<trackbot> ACTION-79 -- Michael Hausenblas to summarise the options
for 4xx status code for empty TC0002-0007 in a Wiki page -- due
2009-05-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/79
[20] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/79
close ACTION-79
<trackbot> ACTION-79 Summarise the options for 4xx status code for
empty TC0002-0007 in a Wiki page closed
Michael: see
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCasesDiscussi
on
[21]
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCasesDiscussion
PROPOSAL: In case an 'empty response' (such as found in TC0002-0006)
occurs, the origin server MUST send an HTTP 416 status code if and
only if the fragment range was given in an HTTP Range request
header, otherwise a HTTP 406 status code MUST be send.
Michael: beside not knowing of other usages of 416/406 ...
jackjansen: has it already been decided to be 4xx??
<conrad> :)
jackjansen: why not using 204?
<davy> I think range 20-10 is the same error as 0-0 if we specify
that the start has to be smaller than the end
<raphael> Discussion about what *is* an empty fragment?
<raphael> 204: a valid fragment but no content
<raphael> 4xx: an error, because the UA has nothing to present
<conrad> yeah :-(
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to update the TC discussion page with 204
proposal and ask Yves's opinion on the list [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - Update the TC discussion page with
204 proposal and ask Yves's opinion on the list [on Michael
Hausenblas - due 2009-05-27].
ISSUES
ISSUE-3?
<trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- Does our MF URI syntax imply that we need to
update MIME Type registrations? -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3
[23] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3
ISSUE-4 ?
ISSUE-4?
<raphael> ACTION-73?
<trackbot> ACTION-73 -- Conrad Parker to change the phrasing of the
issue 4 (just audio/video)? -- due 2009-04-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/73
[24] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/73
conrad, re issue no. 4?
<conrad> ok
ISSUE-9?
<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Should we have the media type inside the Test
Cases? -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9
[25] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to flesh out TC vocabulary re ISSUE-9
[recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Flesh out TC vocabulary re ISSUE-9
[on Michael Hausenblas - due 2009-05-27].
<conrad> issue-4: so i think we discussed not predefining lots of
track names, but perhaps predefining "audio" and "video" only: in
which case action 73 would be to change issue 4 to "Should we
predefine track names for audio and video"
<trackbot> ISSUE-4 Should we pre-define some track names? notes
added
IMPLEMENTATION
raphael: to push implementations we need the proposals a bit better
discussed
... all actions here continue
AOB
[adjourned]
<Gui> thanks, bye
<conrad> thanks all
silvia: good idea
just send an email to the list with subject [MF-TC] or so proposing
it
I'll add it to the Wiki then, ok?
<silvia> cool
ta
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Conrad to provide some rational and use cases for his
proposal [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to flesh out TC vocabulary re ISSUE-9
[recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to update the TC discussion page with 204
proposal and ask Yves's opinion on the list [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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Raphaël Troncy
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