- From: Raphaël Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:00:12 +0200
- To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
All,
We were only 3 on the call today (Silvia, Yves and I) but we have still
discussed the urgent issues for an hour. The minutes are available for
review at http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in
text format below).
I will write later this week an email summarizing what the group has
achieved so far and what remains to be specified / done to enter a
possible LC status. It will be important that we resume from next week
regular telecon with *all* participants.
Cheers.
Erik & Raphaël
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
19 Aug 2009
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0018.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-irc
Attendees
Present
Yves, Thierry, Silvia, Raphael
Regrets
Jack, Michael, Davy, Erik
Chair
Raphael
Scribe
raphael
Contents
* [4]Topics
* [5]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 19 August 2009
<Yves> like updating the fragment in the URI bar when you seek
manually in the video?
Raphael: just Yves, Thierry, Silvia and Raphael present on the call
... no quorum :-(
Silvia: discussing my today's blog post
<scribe> scribe: raphael
Silvia ... i'm considering making a small demo
scribe: not implementing the protocol stuff the group is doing, but
rather emulating the visual effect on client / UA side
... basically, the YouTube use case
Yves: +1, we want to demonstrate how to bookmark a fragment of a
video
Silvia: my implementation will be based on javascript + perhaps the
video element of HTML5
<Yves> about query:
[6]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate-03
[6] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate-03
<Yves> might be useful
<nessy>
[7]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug
/0011.html
[7]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0011.html
Silvia: I suggest we seriously discuss the use of query vs fragment
<Yves> or link to a manifest file somewhere
<Yves> or to a URI template (if applicable)
Silvia: in case of query, how the new resource can be linked to the
original resource?
Raphael: perhaps using the link header
Silvia: and the problem of the UA getting the full duration of the
parent resource in case of the fragment, see ISSUE-11
... do we need to define an extra header ?
Yves, it is always in the case of a range request
Yves: so no problem
... for example, the server will serve, this is the bytes for the
range 10s - 20s / the full duration of the resource
<nessy>
[8]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_HTTP_Com
munication
[8]
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_HTTP_Communication
Yves: correct, this is incomplete, I will correct this wiki page
Raphael: I will take proper action for closing the ISSUE-11 if the
problem is addressed
Great, that closes the ISSUE-11, at least for the fragment
I will email the group about that
Silvia: what we need to fix asap is: the scheme syntax of media
fragment, and the protocol aspect (communication UA / server)
Yves: the ACTION-49 will be done by the beginning of September
Raphael: yes, that will make the work more concrete
<Yves>
[9]http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07.t
xt
[9]
http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07.txt
Raphael: since our examples will contain the full HTTP request and
HTTP response
Silvia: I will write my use case by the next telecon
... and I will write a paragraph on the use of fragment vs query ...
among the lines of my blog post
Raphael: +1
I want also we discuss the relationships between the spatial
dimension of Media Fragments and Image Sprites, see
[10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Ju
n/0002.html
[10]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jun/0002.html
Silvia: perhaps finish the time dimension first
... but address that later
I will create a new issue regarding this point
Silvia: TPAC, worth to meet ?
Raphael: perhaps a accessible media workshop colocated
Silvia: if workshop, mozilla will fund me and I will be there
Raphael: in this case, I will make it too and Yves will be there
... might worth to have then a meeting, perhaps using Media
Annotations arrangement
ACTION-96?
<trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Yves Lafon to make change to
temporal-optional-comma specification -- due 2009-08-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/96
[11] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/96
<nessy> * ACTION-96: Yves to make change to temporal-optional-comma
specification
close ACTION-96
<trackbot> ACTION-96 Make change to temporal-optional-comma
specification closed
Question: do we need also editUnits,
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Ju
l/0018.html ?
[12]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0018.html
Silvia: my problem with editUnit, is that this is container specific
... even worse, this is encoding specific
... I can write a reply about that
... editing the WD directly in the cvs ?
... capture the discussion within the wiki but update the main
document that contains the spec in the cvs
<scribe> ACTION: Silvia to update the wiki + cvs document for adding
the "clock" scheme for specifying time and for discussing editUnit
(ACTION-84) [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Update the wiki + cvs document for
adding the "clock" scheme for specifying time and for discussing
editUnit (ACTION-84) [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2009-08-26].
ACTION-89?
<trackbot> ACTION-89 -- Yves Lafon to find out more about fragment
identifier registration -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/89
[14] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/89
we need to write a small IETF draft for IANA consideration
we need to make a plan for that
Yves: first, get a good story from our document, and then the IETF
document will just link to our document
close ACTION-89
<trackbot> ACTION-89 Find out more about fragment identifier
registration closed
I will open a new ISSUE to remind us that we need to write a IETF
draft for proposing how to register the fragment scheme for all
media types
Yves: this IETF draft should contain a how-to register the fragment
spec for media fragments
... and we should ask for a template of what does it mean when we
come accross a media fragment
Silvia: this is a different issue ... something to consider
Raphael: I will make another issue
... for the media type registration template
... needs to be discussed then within IETF
AOB?
<nessy> thanks everybody!
thanks
meeting adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Silvia to update the wiki + cvs document for adding
the "clock" scheme for specifying time and for discussing editUnit
(ACTION-84) [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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Raphaël Troncy
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