Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP > MAWG

2011/9/23 Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>

> Felix,
>
>
> I have tried your XSL with the W3C processor
> http://www.w3.org/2005/08/**online_xslt/<http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/>
> and I get curious output
>
> see attached files.
>

Did you do "view source" for the output? Then you should see the RDF/XML
structure.


>
> Which XSLT processor do you use ?
>

Saxon, as installed in Oxygen, latest version. The stylesheet is an XSLT 2.0
stylesheet without any extensions.

Felix


>
> Thierry
>
>
> Le 22/09/2011 21:19, Felix Sasaki a écrit :
>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>>
>> I have implemented option 2). Attached is a new version of the XMP related
>> files. Thierry, could you upload these?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Felix
>>
>> 2011/9/19 Höffernig, Martin<Martin.Hoeffernig@**joanneum.at<Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>
>> >
>>
>>  Dear Felix,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Since time-related datatypes  have to be used for date properties [1], I
>>> would choose option 1 or option 2.****
>>>
>>> [1]:
>>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/**
>>> ontology10/PR/#ont-owl<http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/PR/#ont-owl>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Best,****
>>>
>>> Martin****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *Von:* felix.sasaki@googlemail.com [mailto:felix.sasaki@**googlemail.com<felix.sasaki@googlemail.com>]
>>> *Im
>>> Auftrag von *Felix Sasaki
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 15. September 2011 16:42
>>> *An:* Höffernig, Martin
>>> *Cc:* public-media-annotation@w3.org
>>> *Betreff:* Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP>  MAWG****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Hi Martin,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> this is on purpose. The values are not part of the lexical space of
>>> time-related datatypes in XML Schema. At****
>>>
>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-**
>>> canonical-to-mawg.xsl<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-canonical-to-mawg.xsl>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> I have created a function my:checkDateDataType, to deal with some of
>>> these
>>> values that occurred in the XMP example files. But the fallback is always
>>> that if no adequate datatype is found, I go to a string datatype.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I see two options:****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> 1) Change the input data so that it contains only XML Schema dateTime
>>> compatible values****
>>>
>>> 2) Extend my:checkDateDataType so that it deals with the two problematic
>>> values and converts them to dateTime values****
>>>
>>> 3) Leave everything as is****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> My preference would be 2) or 3). 3) Would reflect reality most, at least
>>> given the XMP examples I have. Any thoughts?****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Felix****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> 2011/9/15 Höffernig, Martin<Martin.Hoeffernig@**joanneum.at<Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>
>>> >****
>>>
>>> Dear Felix,****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> your example looks very good now. ****
>>>
>>> However, there is one thing left I would like to point your attention
>>> to:*
>>> ***
>>>
>>> There are two ma:date values with datatype xsd:string ("2010-12-13T12:59:
>>> 59.12345+02:00"^^xsd:string and "2010-12-31T11:59Z"^^xsd:**string). A
>>> time-related datatype would be better at this point.****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Best,****
>>>
>>> Martin****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> *Von:* felix.sasaki@googlemail.com [mailto:felix.sasaki@**googlemail.com<felix.sasaki@googlemail.com>]
>>> *Im
>>> Auftrag von *Felix Sasaki
>>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 13. September 2011 15:11
>>> *An:* Thierry Michel; Höffernig, Martin; public-media-annotation@w3.org*
>>> ****
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *Betreff:* Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP>  MAWG****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Thierry, Martin, all,****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> I implemented Martin's comments:****
>>>
>>> - input file with only one creation date value
>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_**
>>> test_canonical.xml*<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_test_canonical.xml*>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> - XSLT transformation that solves the issues with multiple labels for
>>> ma:hasLanguage and ma:hasPolicy
>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-**
>>> canonical-to-mawg.xsl<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-canonical-to-mawg.xsl>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> - output in RDF/XML
>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_**
>>> test_canonical_mapped-to-rdf-**by-xslt.xml<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_test_canonical_mapped-to-rdf-by-xslt.xml>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> - output in TTL
>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_**
>>> test_canonical_mapped-to-rdf-**by-xslt.ttl<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_test_canonical_mapped-to-rdf-by-xslt.ttl>
>>> ****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Regards,****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Felix****
>>>
>>> 2011/9/12 Felix Sasaki<felix.sasaki@dfki.de>******
>>>
>>> Sorry, Thierry, I don't remember the discussion with Werner  in detail.
>>> There is no label and no bag in ****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>>  ma:date "2009"^^xsd:gYear,
>>>> "2010-11-18T11:57:24+01:00"^^**xsd:dateTime,
>>>> "2010-12"^^xsd:gYearMonth,
>>>> "2010-12-13T12:59:59.12345+02:00"^^**xsd:string,
>>>> "2010-12-23T14:42:31"^^xsd:**dateTime,
>>>> "2010-12-31"^^xsd:date,
>>>> "2010-12-31T11:59:00"^^xsd:**dateTime,
>>>> "2010-12-31T11:59Z"^^xsd:**string;****
>>>>
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> these are plain RDF statements. Could you clarify how to deal with the
>>> above?****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Thanks,****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Felix****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> 2011/9/12 Thierry Michel<tmichel@w3.org>****
>>>
>>> Felix,
>>>
>>>
>>> It is the same issue for all;
>>> This was already discussed with Werner.
>>> you should use  multiple time the same labels or avoid bags in your
>>> example.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thierry****
>>>
>>>  Dear Martin, all,
>>>>
>>>> in addition to your observations and suggestions - which all make sense
>>>>
>>> -,
>>>
>>>> let me mention that there are other cases of multiple examples of the
>>>>
>>> same
>>>
>>>> kind of information:
>>>> * ma:date:
>>>> ma:date "2009"^^xsd:gYear,
>>>> "2010-11-18T11:57:24+01:00"^^**xsd:dateTime,
>>>> "2010-12"^^xsd:gYearMonth,
>>>> "2010-12-13T12:59:59.12345+02:00"^^**xsd:string,
>>>> "2010-12-23T14:42:31"^^xsd:**dateTime,
>>>> "2010-12-31"^^xsd:date,
>>>> "2010-12-31T11:59:00"^^xsd:**dateTime,
>>>> "2010-12-31T11:59Z"^^xsd:**string;
>>>> * ma:title:
>>>> ma:title "dc:title (de-DE)"^^xsd:string,
>>>> "dc:title (en-US)"^^xsd:string,
>>>> "dc:title (x-default)"^^xsd:string,
>>>> "xmpDM:album"^^xsd:string.
>>>> In XMP it is clear where the information is coming from, e.g. from
>>>> dublin
>>>> core within XM Por the xmpDM namespace. The mawg values of course don't
>>>> express provenance. So an application does not know whether it should
>>>> choose
>>>> e.g.  2010-11-18T11:57:24+01:00 or 2009 is the date value.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how to solve this problem but just wanted you to be aware
>>>> of
>>>> it. Martin, all, please let me know how you want to proceed, for
>>>> ma:hasLanguage, ma:hasPolicy, ma:date, ma:creationDate and ma:title.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Felix
>>>>
>>>> 2011/9/12 Höffernig, Martin<Martin.Hoeffernig@**joanneum.at<Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>  Dear Felix, Thierry, all
>>>>>
>>>>> I have finished the recheck of the latest XMP example.
>>>>> This example has passed the consistency check using Protege and Pellet.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I have some remarks which should be discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The value of ma:hasLanguage is a rescource containing three different
>>>>> labels:
>>>>> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
>>>>>         <rdfs:label>en</rdfs:label>
>>>>>         <rdfs:label>de-DE</rdfs:label>
>>>>>         <rdfs:label>de-DE-bayrisch</**rdfs:label>
>>>>> </ma:hasLanguage>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since no cardinality restrictions has been defined in the MA ontology,
>>>>> using multiple labels for the same resoure would be possible.
>>>>> However, the question is if the above usage of mulitpe labels is
>>>>> correct
>>>>> in
>>>>> the MA ontology context?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest to avoid the mulitple labels for the same resource and
>>>>> describe multiple labels in the following way:
>>>>> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
>>>>>         <rdfs:label>en</rdfs:label>
>>>>> </ma:hasLanguage>
>>>>> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
>>>>>         <rdfs:label>de-DE</rdfs:label>
>>>>> </ma:hasLanguage>
>>>>> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
>>>>>         <rdfs:label>de-DE-bayrisch</**rdfs:label>
>>>>> </ma:hasLanguage>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another resource (value of ma:hasPolicy) contains multiple labels
>>>>> modelled
>>>>> in the same as above.
>>>>>
>>>>> Furthermore, the media resource contains two different creation dates.
>>>>>  From my side of view there can be only one creation date.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>> Von: Thierry MICHEL [mailto:tmichel@w3.org]
>>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 08. September 2011 20:03
>>>>>> An: Felix Sasaki; Höffernig, Martin
>>>>>> Cc: public-media-annotation@w3.org**; Frank Biederich
>>>>>> Betreff: Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP>  MAWG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Felix, Martin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have added your 2 files (XML and RDF) into the testsuite.
>>>>>> (replace the former one.
>>>>>> Note that in the RDF I have added a comment as mentuionned in the
>>>>>> guidelines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have also added your Stylesheet for conversion of XMP (canonical
>>>>>> form)
>>>>>> to instance of "Ontology for Media Resources 1.0" in the list of
>>>>>> Implementations/demonstrators
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/**
>>> ontology10/testsuite<http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/testsuite>
>>>
>>>> .html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last bit is that I have removed the former TTL file for XMP. Maybe
>>>>>> you would like to provide a new one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin could you check the RDF file for XMP ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks a lot for your input.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bets,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thierry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 08/09/2011 12:25, Felix Sasaki a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thierry, all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have made a slight update of the XMP examples. Attached ZIP file
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> contains
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a new input file MAWG_test_canonical.xml, and an output
>>>>>>> file MAWG_test_canonical_mapped-to-**rdf-by-xslt.xmp
>>>>>>> can you replace input and output in the CR table for the ontology
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> document
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> accordingly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ZIP file also contains an XSLT stylesheet that I used for the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> generation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of the output file. Input needs to be XMP *in canonical form* (a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> certain
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kind of XMP serialization). From my understanding an XMP processor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be capable to produce that form. See the stylesheet also at
>>>>>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-**
>>>>>>> canonical-to-<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-canonical-to->
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mawg.xsl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you add the stylesheet (or maybe rather the link to it) to the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mapping
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tool list of implementations / demonstrators for the ontology? Many
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I have put Frank Biederich from Adobe into the loop so that he is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> aware of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Felix
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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