- From: Raphaël Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:06:14 +0100
- To: "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
All, The minutes of today's telecon is available for review at: http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html (and in text format below). Cheers. Raphaël --------- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference 10 Mar 2009 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0023.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-irc Attendees Present Jean_Pierre, Thierry, Pierre_Antoine, Chris, Raphael, Daniel_(irc), Veronique_(irc), wonsuk, (partial) Regrets Tobias, michele Chair Joakim Scribe Thierry, raphael Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Agenda review and approval of previous minutes telecon 03 March 2009 2. [6]Action Items 3. [7]mapping of formats 4. [8]toy implementation 5. [9]AOB * [10]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <tmichel> Scribe:Thierry <tmichel> Minutes: [11]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html [11] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html <tmichel> hello raphael trackbot, start teleco <trackbot> Sorry, raphael, I don't understand 'trackbot, start teleco'. Please refer to [12]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help [12] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc trackbot, start telecon <trackbot> Date: 10 March 2009 <scribe> Agenda: [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009 Mar/0023.html [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0023.html <daniel> this call starts ? <tmichel> hope Joakim will join to chair this meeting <Chris_IBBT> hopefully Joakim did not forget the different starting time of the phone conference <daniel> oh, call information sent from Joakim has the same timezone (not applying one-hour earlier). I am now traveling, hence can't make a phone call. <tmichel> It maybe that some people have forgotten about the time slot change for this call <tmichel> Should we proceed ? Do we have a quorum ? chairs, tema contact: what's happened with this call? <daniel> presumably, we will start after one-hour with Joamik charing. sorry for inconvenience and thanks your patient... <tmichel> Joakim sent an agenda and was schedulled to Chair. I was scheduled to scribe ... The agenda said: Tuesday, 10 March 13:00-14:00 UTC <Chris_IBBT> we do it in french? veronique, the telecon was messy, restart again <daniel> so sorry...this is a chairs' mistake. if ok, we will be able to resume this call after 50 minutes. is that ok for all of you ? daniel, we cannot, since Zakim is not booked! <daniel> um...ok, Thierry can you be charing this call instead of Joakim ? <tmichel> do we want to cancel Agenda review and approval of previous minutes telecon 03 March 2009 minutes accepted, no objections <tmichel> Propose to accept: [14]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html as [14] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html <tmichel> minutes of the last meeting, thanks to Veronique for scribing. <scribe> Scribe: raphael <pchampin> I can scribe <scribe> scribenick: raphael Scribe for next week: Thierry volunteers Action Items Felix: ACTION-43: continue All actions: 47, 54, 80, 82 continue Pierre Antoine: ACTION-83 scribe: the action is not completed ... I thought that the review of the standards will be done in small group and thus the action would have been cancelled close ACTION-83 <trackbot> ACTION-83 Review ID3 closed The remaining actions: 85, 86, 87 are still pending mapping of formats Thierry: how will we going to publish this table in our new document? Raphael: is there any action to actually review this table? Thierry: no, we will make small group of 2-3 people for reviewing part of this table ... should we design groups and assign formats to these groups ? Veronique: I thought we will discuss that during the face to face meeting Raphael: +1 for Veronique's suggestion Thierry: yes, but we should as well have some material prior to the f2f <daniel> this small group will be made by toy implementation volunteers and chairs...so toss it (reviewing the mapping table) to chairs this time Jean Pierre: we need experts of these formats to actually do the mapping, I will not dare to say something on formats I don't know Thierry: should we ask people to attach their name on specific format? Jean Pierre: yes <pchampin> +1 <Chris_IBBT> +1 Thierry: and then use a first come first serve principle Jean Pierre: the maker of the mapping for each specific format should be in <veroniqueM> +1 <scribe> ACTION: Thierry to provide the list of all formats considered in the mapping table with the person who did the mapping, leading each sub-group [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Provide the list of all formats considered in the mapping table with the person who did the mapping, leading each sub-group [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-17]. <scribe> ACTION: ALL to join these sub-groups [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL Raphael: why do you want to publish this table before the f2f? Veronique: in order to get comments from a wider community Thierry: it will be difficult to publish this table in the TR space because of pubrules Raphael: my suggestion would be to produce a document that contains excerpts of the table and graphical representation of the mappings ... but requires a lot of work, not sure you can make it in 2 weeks Veronique: graphical representation might be unreadable Raphael: yes, thus split this table depending on group of properties Veronique: we want a validation of these mappings from the communiy depending on the usage of the properties Raphael: then you need a lot of text explaining the rational behind each mappings Pierre Antoine: the current table has XMP as a pivot format scribe: split the table in plenty of tables with always XMP as reference Raphael: problem with that is that you remove a lot of value of the global view of the table Thierry: but assuming we do not publish anything by the f2f, what can we expect afterwards Veronique: the transitivity of the mappings is also in question, we need to discuss it during the f2f <Chris_IBBT> +1 Veronique +1 veronique Thierry: what I hear here, is that we should wait for after the f2f to go publishing a document <veroniqueM> +1 +1 Raphael: and explain carefully the rationale of each mapping, the type of the mapping (equivalent, sub-property, related to, unspecified), the transitivity Thierry: do we have a quorum for taking a resolution Raphael: i think we are not enough, can make an informal poll Chris: we should listen to the arguments of Felix that wanted to publish the table asap Thierry: ok, this is not a formal resolution (no quorum), but I note that the people present on the call want to delay the publication of the table Toppic: survey of mapping formats <tmichel> [17]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/Annot-format-survey/results [17] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/Annot-format-survey/results 12 responders on 26 people! Thierry: commenting the results received so far, see also [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009 Mar/0030.html [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0030.html Raphael: I would like to raise a serious concern! I see only 12 responders on 26, among the non-responders, there are active participants ! I observe also that Dave Singer (from Apple) has raised concern on the poll itself and did not provide answers :-( Chris: i can ask other IBBT guys to answer as well Veronique: I have no real preferences Thierry: I'm a team contact, so I cannot answer Daniel: why did you do not answer? Others: seem to not be active participants <scribe> ACTION: Thierry to re-open the questionnaire and invite people to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order to get a quorum of responses [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Re-open the questionnaire and invite people to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order to get a quorum of responses [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-17]. <scribe> ACTION: Thierry to chase the non-responders [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Chase the non-responders [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-17]. <daniel> sorry..! I missed the due in flight... <daniel> Thierry, do we make a decision to reopen for that once again ? toy implementation Veronique: is there a schema of XMP available or should we construct it manually from the spec? ... should we consider the VRA mapping in the toy implementation given that VRA has low results in the pol Wonsuk: we can ask the schema to Adobe Raphael: I think it does *NOT* exist [21]http://support.adobe.com/devsup/devsup.nsf/docs/51668.htm [21] http://support.adobe.com/devsup/devsup.nsf/docs/51668.htm Raphael: we can of course ask confirmation from Adobe, a chair action? ... from the blog post above, it seems Adobe considers XMP as a framework, in which particular subsets are defined, DC, and other small schemas, but XMP is extensible too, thus no XMP schema exists ... this is how I interpret it <daniel> I was asking Adobe for some of XMP issues as well as Metadata WG, but no clear answer to me until now... <scribe> ACTION: Joakim to ask Larry Masinter or other Adobe's contact in order to know if there is an XMP schema we can have access too [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Ask Larry Masinter or other Adobe's contact in order to know if there is an XMP schema we can have access too [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-03-17]. AOB Thierry: next call will be an hour earlier again!!! Chairs: need to write that in the agenda <daniel> again, sorry Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: ALL to join these sub-groups [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Joakim to ask Larry Masinter or other Adobe's contact in order to know if there is an XMP schema we can have access too [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Thierry to chase the non-responders [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Thierry to provide the list of all formats considered in the mapping table with the person who did the mapping, leading each sub-group [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Thierry to re-open the questionnaire and invite people to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order to get a quorum of responses [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action03] [End of minutes] -- Raphaël Troncy CWI (Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science), Science Park 123, 1098 XG Amsterdam, The Netherlands e-mail: raphael.troncy@cwi.nl & raphael.troncy@gmail.com Tel: +31 (0)20 - 592 4093 Fax: +31 (0)20 - 592 4312 Web: http://www.cwi.nl/~troncy/
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