Re: MAWG minutes 2009-01-13 (DRAFT)

Jean-Pierre and me had some offline discussion about this. We will 
update the references and discuss the section in question after the 
publication of the Working Draft next week.

Felix

Evain, Jean-Pierre さんは書きました:
> Dear Felix, all,
>
> I am working on the mapping of EBU, IPTC (NewsML-g2) and TVA metadata into
> the table.
>
> I have had a look at the latest draft of the requirements document. I have
> noted that the requirements section on which I had an action to review the
> text during the F2F meeting is not incorporated. I have also noted that
> references and links to EBU P-META and TV-Anytime are obsolete (I can
> provide new ones) and others are missing.  Please let me know how I can help
> resolving this. Should I send the material to Wonsuk and Tobias?
>
> Regards, Jean-pierre
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-media-annotation-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-media-annotation-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Felix Sasaki
> Sent: mardi, 13. janvier 2009 15:11
> To: public-media-annotation@w3.org
> Subject: MAWG minutes 2009-01-13 (DRAFT)
>
>
> ... are at http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html and below 
> as text.
>
> Felix
>
>
> [1]W3C
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
> - DRAFT -
>
> MAWG
>
> 13 Jan 2009
>
> [2]Agenda
>
> [2] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0017.htm
> l
>
> See also: [3]IRC log
>
> [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-irc
>
> Attendees
>
> Present
> thierry, joakim, tobias, victor, werner, wonsuk, felix,
> pchampin, frank, veronique, davy
>
> Regrets
> erik
>
> Chair
> Thierry
>
> Scribe
> fsasaki
>
> Contents
>
> * [4]Topics
> 1. [5]w3c track
> 2. [6]action items
> 3. [7]schedule for UC & Req doc
> 4. [8]future of req & use cases doc
> 5. [9]mapping of formats
> 6. [10]AOB
> * [11]Summary of Action Items
> _________________________________________________________
>
> <pchampin> hi
>
> <tmichel> Hello
>
> <tmichel> we have regrets from werner and erik
>
> <tmichel> let me dial in
>
> <pchampin> that's me
>
> <tmichel> Felix can you hear me on zakim ?
>
> w3c track
>
> thierry explains various steps (FPWD etc.) of w3c process
>
> <scribe> scribe: fsasaki
>
> example of a test suite:
> [12]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
>
> [12] http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
>
> agenda is at
> [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009
> Jan/0017.html
>
> [13] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0017.htm
> l
>
> minutes from previous meeting
> [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-minutes.html approved
>
> [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-minutes.html
>
> <frank> I can do the next next
>
> scribe volunteer Pierre-Antoine
>
> Pierre-Antoine scribe 20.1. 2009, frank scribe 27.1. 2009
>
> Schedule for the next call on 20.1. 2009 (now every Tuesday, 13:00
> UTC)
>
> action items
>
> [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
>
> [15] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
>
> close ACTION-20
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-20 Add a link from WG page to the "still alive"
> MMSEM wiki pages and to make sure that everybody can edit the pages
> closed
>
> action 43 is pending
>
> <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 43
>
> AI 44 done
>
> frank: went through requirements document, took use cases explained,
> checked if xmp:history can be applied
> ... xmp:history looks useful, we should use it
>
> close ACTION-44
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-44 Check if xmp:history is applicable for the
> current use cases closed
>
> close ACTION-45
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-45 Look at how sony ericsson uses xmp closed
>
> joakim: sent a mail about this to the list
>
> close ACTION-46
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-46 Bother Eric so that he gives AI to Chris about
> the metadata model from IBBT closed
>
> felix: done, chris sent a mail to the list about the model
>
> AI 47 ongoing
>
> close ACTION-48
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-48 Send pointer to media fragments WG for review
> of uc&req doc, when it is ready closed
>
> AI 49 ongoing
>
> felix: sent mail to larry masinter, no response yet
>
> ACTION-51
>
> drawing is at
> [16]http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.
> html
>
> [16] http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
>
> close ACTION-53
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-53 Revise the introduction, using material from
> the "video" UC section closed
>
> close ACTION-51
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-51 Make a drawing to make clear what we are not
> doing closed
>
> AI 54 pending
>
> AI 55 pending
>
> close ACTION-57
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-57 Check with plh how he wants us to move the
> requirements document forward closed
>
> close ACTION-58
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-58 Add the issue of returning String/URI value as
> an additional requirement closed
>
> AI 59
>
> joakim: sent a mail about this
>
> thierry: let's leave it open, try to have more discussion until next
> week
>
> close ACTION-60
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-60 Ask Chris about the question of heterogeneous
> return values closed
>
> close ACTION-61
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-61 Request short URI for the requirements document
> closed
>
> ACTION-63
>
> close ACTION-63
>
> <trackbot> ACTION-63 Formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM
> group closed
>
> victor: formally it has been done, informally I will report at next
> MPEG meeting about our groups activities, within the next weeks
> ... will ask you to take a look at the presentation before
>
> thierry: please send to the group for review
>
> schedule for UC & Req doc
>
> thierry: thanks to felix for providing the document, it's now frozen
> ... we are now going to ask for formal publication on TR page
> ... publication is planned for jan 19th
> ... Any Objection to request Transition of the document to FPWD ?
> ... no objections
>
> RESOLUTION: Working Groups agrees to move document to FPWD, no
> objections
>
> thierry: please do not advertise URI of document before publication
> on Monday
>
> future of req & use cases doc
>
> <tmichel> [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html
>
> [17] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html
>
> thierry: we should publish LC version of this doc in march, might be
> doable
> ... we may or may not get feedback on UC & req document, the LC
> draft will give more feedback
> ... for LC in march, we have 1-1/2 months for revising the document
>
> werner: if we get feedback on document and revise a section, what
> will happen?
> ... so after publication on Monday we can adapt it any time?
>
> thierry: we can update the internal WD, and in March we will say we
> publish a LC version and ask other WGs for review
> ... after LC of the req & use case LC draft, we wil publish the req
> & use case document as a "working Group note"
> ... we have worked on uc & req doc, we now need to think about
> ontology and API doc
>
> joakim: schedule might be very optimistic
>
> felix: agree
>
> thierry: group is chartered until January 2010, we have another year
> ... if we don't fulfil milestones, at the end of the year we will
> request an extension, maybe 6 more months, depending on where we
> stand
>
> mapping of formats
>
> <tmichel>
> [18]http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table
> .htm
>
> [18] http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table.htm
>
> joakim: took all properties we have identified as relevant from XMP
> review in one column in the excel table
> ... filled out the ID3 column
>
> thierry: what will be outcome of XMP / IDE mapping
>
> <tmichel>
> [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping
>
> [19] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping
>
> joakim: sometimes properties were dublicated
> ... e.g. there are various date related properties
> ... e.g. in DC we have date, but other vocabularies make differences
> between createDate, dateChanged
> ... DC is more generic
>
> <VeroniqueM> could we have a "transitivity" problem?
>
> <VeroniqueM> if property A from voc A is "mapped" to property B from
> voc B, that is in turn mapped to property C from another, what is
> the "mapping" status of A with respect to C?
>
> <Victor> now :)
>
> <pchampin> a simple solution to handle duplication would be to only
> support the most generic property
>
> <VeroniqueM> agreed
>
> <pchampin> but this may not be satisfactory for every duplicate
> property
>
> <VeroniqueM> DC would be the interlingua?
>
> <tmichel> I ammuted now ;-)
>
> <tmichel> sorry about this buzz
>
> <tmichel> For CR exit criteria we need implementation for two
> mapping (two features)
>
> [20]http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/
>
> [20] http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/
>
> <tmichel> work implmentation driven. Ask people of the WG which
> aattribute they use
>
> [21]http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/01/mapping.
> xsl
>
> [21] http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/01/mapping.xsl
>
> <tmichel> inputs XML and uses an XSL style sheet
>
> felix: propose to think from CR step: what functionalities are
> people ready to implement?
>
> thierry: agree. It is not good to define a lot of mappings if we
> will not implement them during CR
> ... problem of how to proceed with duplicate mappings, which joakim
> described
>
> <tmichel> Tobias I can't hear you
>
> <tobiasb> Probably I have a problem with the micro
>
> <tobiasb> I started yesterday and will be ready with it next week!
>
> <tmichel> Wonsuk ?
>
> going through formats and see when they be finished
>
> <tmichel> TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week
>
> <tobiasb> Same for SearchMonkey...did not start but will be ready
> next week
>
> <scribe> ACTION: wonsuk to finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed
> for next week [recorded in
> [22]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Finish TYoutube and Media RSS ,
> TXfeed for next week [on WonSuk Lee - due 2009-01-20].
>
> <scribe> ACTION: Tobias to do searchmonkeymedia [recorded in
> [23]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Do searchmonkeymedia [on Tobias
> Bürger - due 2009-01-20].
>
> <tmichel> Jean Pierre
>
> <scribe> ACTION: jean-pierre to review tvanytime [recorded in
> [24]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Review tvanytime [on Jean-Pierre
> EVAIN - due 2009-01-20].
>
> <scribe> ACTION: Jean-Pierre to review EBU [recorded in
> [25]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Review EBU [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN -
> due 2009-01-20].
>
> <scribe> ACTION: Joakim to review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content
> specification 2.0 [recorded in
> [26]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand
> Content specification 2.0 [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-01-20].
>
> <scribe> ACTION: Jean-Pierre to review IPTC [recorded in
> [27]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action06]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Review IPTC [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN -
> due 2009-01-20].
>
> <scribe> ACTION: Chris to review DIG35 [recorded in
> [28]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action07]
>
> <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris
>
> <scribe> ACTION: Thierry to ask AC rep of IBBT to nominate Chris
> [recorded in
> [29]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action08]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Ask AC rep of IBBT to nominate Chris
> [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-01-20].
>
> review of FRBR is done
>
> victor: review of FRBR is done
>
> <scribe> ACTION: victor to report on FRBR next week [recorded in
> [30]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action09]
>
> <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - victor
>
> <scribe> ACTION: Felix to review MIX [recorded in
> [31]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action10]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Review MIX [on Felix Sasaki - due
> 2009-01-20].
>
> <Victor> Requirement r07 says "Introducing several abstraction
> levels in the ontology", mapping to FRBR is inmediate and easy. Next
> conference I can report more details if needed.
>
> MPEG-7
>
> frank: werner and I worked on it
>
> <scribe> .. ongoing
>
> UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: need more time
>
> <tobiasb> MediaRDF: Alread y had a look; will provide information
> for mapping table by the deadline next week
>
> <scribe> ACTION: frank to review with werner MPEG-7 - due 2009-27-1
> [recorded in
> [32]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action11]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - review with werner MPEG-7 [on Frank
> Nack - due 2011-03-01].
>
> <scribe> ACTION: werner to review SMPTE [recorded in
> [33]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action12]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Review SMPTE [on Werner Bailer - due
> 2009-01-20].
>
> <tobiasb> METS, LOM: Already had a look; will provide information
> for mapping table by the deadline next week
>
> <scribe> ACTION: tobias to review METS [recorded in
> [34]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action13]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Review METS [on Tobias Bürger - due
> 2009-01-20].
>
> <scribe> ACTION: TOBIAS to review LOM [recorded in
> [35]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action14]
>
> <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Review LOM [on Tobias Bürger - due
> 2009-01-20].
>
> thierry: questions on mapping?
>
> AOB
>
> joakim: API and ontology schedule, maybe need to talk about it at
> next meeting
>
> thierry: agree, need to talk about this next week
>
> regrets for next week: Felix traveling, thierry also (probably will
> join by phone)
>
> bye
>
> <VeroniqueM> exit
>
> <tmichel> rssagent, darft minutes
>
> <tmichel> rssagent, draft minutes
>
> <joakim> exit
>
> <tmichel> rssagent, make minutes
>
> <joakim> felix: after you sent the command to rrsagent, draft
> minutes
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
> [NEW] ACTION: Chris to review DIG35 [recorded in
> [36]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action07]
> [NEW] ACTION: Felix to review MIX [recorded in
> [37]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action10]
> [NEW] ACTION: frank to review with werner MPEG-7 - due 2009-27-1
> [recorded in
> [38]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action11]
> [NEW] ACTION: Jean-Pierre to review EBU [recorded in
> [39]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]
> [NEW] ACTION: Jean-Pierre to review IPTC [recorded in
> [40]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action06]
> [NEW] ACTION: jean-pierre to review tvanytime [recorded in
> [41]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]
> [NEW] ACTION: Joakim to review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content
> specification 2.0 [recorded in
> [42]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]
> [NEW] ACTION: Thierry to ask AC rep of IBBT to nominate Chris
> [recorded in
> [43]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action08]
> [NEW] ACTION: Tobias to do searchmonkeymedia [recorded in
> [44]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
> [NEW] ACTION: TOBIAS to review LOM [recorded in
> [45]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action14]
> [NEW] ACTION: tobias to review METS [recorded in
> [46]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action13]
> [NEW] ACTION: victor to report on FRBR next week [recorded in
> [47]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action09]
> [NEW] ACTION: werner to review SMPTE [recorded in
> [48]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action12]
> [NEW] ACTION: wonsuk to finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for
> next week [recorded in
> [49]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
>
> [End of minutes]
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