Minutes of the W3C Rights Automation Community Group 2021-10-13

Please find the minutes of today’s meeting here <https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html> and pasted below.

Noting that this is my last action as chair. Though noting also that W3C is truly the Hotel California … you can check out etc.

It’s been a pleasure working with everyone and well done us for our work so far.

Jo
Summary of action items

  1.  ben to check he carried out the action from previous meeting<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#a01>
  2.  Caspar to figure out a PoC of OtterAI<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#a02>
  3.  Mark to circulate copy by w3c group email list<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#a03>
  4.  Marthe to report whether she has found any useful patterns by next meeting<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#a04>
  5.  Ben to circulate - Laura and Michelle to look at FISD template<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#a05>
  6.  Ben to reach out to Elizabeth Pritchard to see what adoption there is<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#a06>
  7.  Mark to organise a break out session to discuss - in 2 weeks from today<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#a07>
  8.  Caspar to write a note starting the discussion of what Reference Architecture means<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#a08>

Summary of resolutions

  1.  Thanks to Markb for setting up Linked in Group please proceed with invitations<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#r01>
  2.  Accept minutes of last meeting<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#r02>
  3.  Group agrees that Michelle will make a wonderful chair and thanks her for stepping forward<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#r03>
  4.  Noting Jo stepping down as chair, Group thanks Jo for his efforts<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#r04>

Rights Automation Community Group Teleconference
13 October 2021
[IRC log.]<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-irc>
Attendees
Present
atiq, ben, caspar, jeremy, jo, laura, markB, Marthe, michelle, rosalind_mason, trisha
Regrets
-
Chair
jo
Scribe
jo
Contents

  1.  Admin<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t01>
  2.  move on from IRC<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t02>
  3.  LinkedIn Group<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t03>
  4.  Minutes of last meeting<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t04>
  5.  Musical Chairs<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t05>
  6.  WIFIC in one year<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t06>
  7.  Modelling Best Practices<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t07>
  8.  Reference Architecture<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t08>
  9.  Formalising ODRL and Temporal Model<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t09>
  10. AOB<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t10>
  11. Summary of action items<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
  12. Summary of resolutions<https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>

Meeting minutes
Admin

Minutes of last meeting: https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-md-odrl-profile-minutes


<ben> Minutes: https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-md-odrl-profile-minutes


Jo: published working draft ben?

ben: almost, waiting for W3C to come back

Action: ben to check he carried out the action from previous meeting

move on from IRC

Caspar: otterAI - autotranscription service - integrates with Zoom

ben: does it work live and can you edit afterwards?

caspar: think it's live

Action: Caspar to figure out a PoC of OtterAI

LinkedIn Group

MarkB: we want to announce the spec that we will publish
… we create a LinkedIn group
… which I already did
… we can then make a post and everyone can link to it in their own profiles
… does this seem like a good idea, should I send out invites?
… how do we agree the content of the announcement
… q1 linkedin gorup make sense?

Resolution: Thanks to Markb for setting up Linked in Group please proceed with invitations

mark: I'll invite everyone, if you don't get an invite then please let me know

Action: Mark to circulate copy by w3c group email list

Minutes of last meeting

Resolution: Accept minutes of last meeting

Musical Chairs

Jo: I will step down at the conclusion of the meeting
… michelle has kindly agreed to step forward, we need to agree her becoming chair

Resolution: Group agrees that Michelle will make a wonderful chair and thanks her for stepping forward

Resolution: Noting Jo stepping down as chair, Group thanks Jo for his efforts

WIFIC in one year

ben: just want to scoot through them all, and so set direction, rather than a detailed discussion of the issues
… Laura said we should target WIFIC in a year's time to do a major demo
… we could throw in a straw man to guide discussions
… FIs are building internal market places and automated rights management is a solution for some of the challenges they need to overcome
… so target is "Full end-to-end automation of rights over a cloud based internal market place"
… comments?

markB: this is someone where you are an internal employee, I browse the content, answer a questionnaire etc and get a yes/no

ben: yes, that's the kind of thing - want many different viewpoints on this as a solution, exchange, vendor etc...

markB: if it stops people using data they are not licensed for and helps them get a license, then any content producer would be in favour
… how would they contribute to that discussion

michelle: I can imagine this from the consumer perspective, less involved in cloud personally, people very interested in being able to query
… data sets may be broader than just an exchange contract

ben: should we start including things like alternative data?

michelle: think it all falls under the broader category of market data

markb: have heard people say ODRL is an exchange thing, so would be good to expand their minds

michelle: think we need to tackle the whole of market data

trisha: end to end entitlements for exchanges is good, think alternative data is a good way to go, but how would you define it?

ben: we have a year to define it

laura: what's key is to show the communication, demo the end to end process with all these stakeholders then that is a representative ecosystem
… showing how it work, but applicable across a lot of environments

jo: I recommend that taking on other areas would be taking on too much
… suggest that the group stick to getting what it has working

michelle: picking up on the use of the work permissioning, we can't enforce

ben: some parts of enforcement may be in scope in the next year
… there is a spectrum of people from completely compliant through to those that deliberately break the rules
… in the large area between we can enforce and automate the enforcement
… but we are not digital rights management, in that the compliance needs to be voluntary

laura: we need to be clear what we mean, when I hear entitlements I hear enforcement
… need to be clear about systematically enforcing the block

caspar: I think we can have both advisory and enforcement

laura: individual firm could decide which way they want to go with it

caspar: want ability to query data catalogue for example

jo: how is the question of whether extending into alternative data is a good idea or not

ben: should we do just one? just to show it can be done?
… FISD wrote guidance and templates for alternative data
… wonder if anyone has looked at that
… Marthe do you have any patterns in the licensing from vendors coming on to Amazon Data Exchange

Action: Marthe to report whether she has found any useful patterns by next meeting

Action: Ben to circulate - Laura and Michelle to look at FISD template

Action: Ben to reach out to Elizabeth Pritchard to see what adoption there is

Modelling Best Practices

Ben: e.g. payment - must have and may haves ...
… for each of the key duties, how to model these
… and explain to people how we model these duties
… also for example, derived data

jo: suggest use of "pattern"
… it is a pattern book

ben: include some validation code etc.

markb: have a break out session to work out where to store and do a pattern
… then everyone to go away and implement one

laura: parties using this would be providers and consumers

ben: also software implementors

caspar: there are some design patterns for ontologies, incredibly valuable

Action: Mark to organise a break out session to discuss - in 2 weeks from today

Reference Architecture

ben: there have been requests to describe the implementation of the standard in terms of e.g. policy store and so on
… instrumentation and enforcement too, what would the architecture look like
… need to make sure that interoperability is possible

Action: Caspar to write a note starting the discussion of what Reference Architecture means

Formalising ODRL and Temporal Model

ben: noting that the ODRL community group is addressing these topics, ppl should email me if they want to join those discussions

michelle: would it matter if they went off in a different direction

ben: yes, but we are influential. Academic discussions at the moment

AOB

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