Minutes of the W3C Rights Automation Community Group 2020-08-19

Please find the minutes of today’s meeting at https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html

and pasted below.

Summary of Action Items

ACTION: Ben to create examples where the various terms discussed in place of creditor and debtor are shown in context
ACTION: Ben to follow up after the meeting including with Caspar as to clarification of how this might be handled outside the model

Summary of Resolutions

  1.  Accept minutes of last meeting<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#resolution01>
  2.  Adopt the definition of notify and report as described above<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#resolution02>


Many thanks
Jo

Market Data Rights Automation Teleconference 2020-08-19
19 Aug 2020

Agenda<https://w3c.github.io/market-data-odrl-profile/agendas/md-odrl-profile-agenda-2020-08-19.html>

Attendees
Present
Jo, Ben, Ilya, Laura, Steve, natasa, phil, joshua, caspar, adamD, adamH, sam_Gibson, jfb, graham
Regrets
renato, trisha, chris, MarkB, MarkD, Stephen_D, Paul_K, Rachel_K, Alex_C, David_S, Tom_D, Atiq_K, Aaron_G
Chair
jo
Scribe
phil, jo, jo_
Contents

  *   Topics<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#agenda>
     *   Admin<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item01>
     *   Updated Definitions of Notify and Report<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item02>
     *   Replacement Terms for Creditor and Debtor<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item03>
     *   Temporal Aspects<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item04>
     *   Properties of Resources<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item05>
     *   AOB<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item06>
  *   Summary of Action Items<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
  *   Summary of Resolutions<https://www.w3.org/2020/08/19-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>

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<jo> scribe: phil

Admin

RESOLUTION: Accept minutes of last meeting

<jo> scribe: jo

Updated Definitions of Notify and Report

Ben: various definitions have been circulated and reviewed
... in the end a notification refers to an event - report refers to a state of affairs
... any comments
... straw poll

<Laura> +1

<Ilya> 0

Ilya: please clarify the definitions

ben: (illustrates the definitions)

<Ilya> Change vote to +1

RESOLUTION: Adopt the definition of notify and report as described above

Replacement Terms for Creditor and Debtor

https://github.com/w3c/market-data-odrl-profile/issues/17


Ben: the terms Creditor and Debtor are confusing and we have been looking for better terms
... we said we'd go away and look for other possible terms

Natasa: I like requiring and responsible parties

Ben: unfortunately it does not work
... someone undertakes action and someone receives the action
... can have different requirer and beneficiary

Ilya: licensor and licensee

ben: not quite right either
... duties may refer to different parties than the signatories

(further discussion of possible terms)

ben: duties may be independent of data/content - needs to be independent and abstract

JFB: Obligor - beneficiary?

ben: is that clear enough

adamH: trying to understand what actions are performed
... e.g. payment and so on?

ben: don't know how far we'd go on that
... details on currency, count, periodicity

laura: would it help to introduce something like "agent"

JFS: not agent

phil: why do we need a term for beneficiary?
... why do we need something to generically identify something

<jo_> scribe: jo_

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Promisor and Promisee are the preferred terms for the subject and object of duties

(further discussion of terms)

Laura: problem is the context dependency

Jo: that's why I prefer a grammatical construction like subject/object

ben: i agree
... let me take an action away to put some of the preferred terms in examples for a vote next time

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to create examples where the various terms discussed in place of creditor and debtor are shown in context

Temporal Aspects

https://w3c.github.io/market-data-odrl-profile/discussions/2020-08-19/topics#changes-over-time-static-or-dynamic-identifiers


ben: we were happy with using effective dates when we spoke about this
... this means that the identifiers change and that can cause a problem
... there is a trick to stabilise the identifier
... which is to use versioning
... add the cost of indirection from the stable identifier
... deviation from standard ODRL
... so how important is it that something retains it identifier

phil: prefer to maintain the id over time

jo: are we confusing labels and ids

???: important to maintain the id

ilya: important to retain stable identfier

caspar: keeps things immutable ... important for assets, less so for permissions

graham: thinking around legal proceedings, persistent ids make a clearer case

ben: can we take a vote now
... or should I go away and write some more

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to follow up after the meeting including with Caspar as to clarification of how this might be handled outside the model

Properties of Resources

https://w3c.github.io/market-data-odrl-profile/discussions/2020-08-19/topics#properties-of-resources


Ben: I've relied on Phil's work on this
... would like him to speak to it

Phil: not sure I can pick up on this
... most recognised, but some are resource and characteristics but some are variable

ben: your idea of a resource is described as a source
... resource is something like real time gold futures
... has a provider
... the property resource ... this is the delayed version of that
... have to point back to the resource you are delaying
... also asset class, content type
... allows segmentation
... (further discussion of properties)
... are there some things missing from the list

Ilya: professional vs non-professional?

ben: constraint on the permission

phil: several geographic aspects
... this is about the centent itself
... rather than usage rights

???: (indistinct)

ben: real time always intraday and end of day always not

laura: currency?
... not related to license, what a system might need to know

AdamD: method of delivery?

Phil: differentiate resource from method of delivery is useful
... we'd want to describe method of delivery spearately

ben: product might need this, at a level above

laura: same for platform
... is that a property description

Ben: think we should capture that

Olga: what is the name?

ben: it has a label plus a universal identifier
... please look at these definitions so we can take a vote at the next meeting
... open an issue to make a comment

AOB

(none)

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