Minutes: MathML intent meeting 4 Feb, 2021

Attendees:

Neil Soiffer

Bruce Miller

David Carlisle

Deyan Ginev

David Farmer

Sam Dooley

Murray Sargent

 Charles LaPierre

Louis Maher

 Laurence Zaysser

Patrick Ion

 Steve Noble

Moritz Schubotz

The meeting was recorded:

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Thanks to Louis for taking notes.

Agenda:

1. Announcements/updates

NS: The charter is making progress.  The charter will likely be going out
for a vote next week.  Voting might end around the second week of March.

NS: Asked people to vote for the charter if they can vote. If we know
someone who can vote we should encourage them to vote for the charter.

NS: Went around the group to see who could vote for the charter.

2. What's missing from Level 1?

level 1 functionality
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NS: Was using Clear Speak to test the pronunciation of MathML symbols.

NS: Showed a slide of possible problems.

DG: The scope of level one is not precisely defined.

NS: The chemistry shown in DG’s level two should be in Level one.

MS: Instead of saying to the nth power, he would say to the nth.  This
should help with translation to other languages.

NS: Another missing thing is an ordered pair for coordinates.

BM: What are we trying to standardize. We are not trying to standardize
speech. We want to give the user agent freedom to pronounce things
optimally.

MS: He prefers to pronounce what is there more than what it means. It would
be nice to have both.  Perhaps saying what is there or what it means could
b e toggled by a hot key.

NS: Perhaps people could have the choice of saying what is there, or what
it means.  Hopefully Intent could provide both options.

NS: It would be easier to provide both speech options if Math Intent would
give the needed information.

SD: He would like to see the primitives from MathML be presented in Level
one.

MSC: Does it matter what is level one, or Level two or Level three?

NS: Everyone has to understand what is in level one. They may not have to
understand what is in level three.

BM: Even if you do not know what a thing is, you need to know how to
pronounce it.

DC: If you have a plus sign, everyone knows what it is.  What does it mean
to have a vertical bar? Presentations can be ambiguous.

NS: People will understand what things mean by the context of the document
which holds the equation.

NS: If a system understands intent, then it should understand the symbols
in level one.

BM: If you do not worry about semantics, then you can simply read the
presentation math and interpret it yourself. What is the minimal amount
needed to pronounce the equations understandably.

DG: Is interested in level three.  You may need intent to understand level
three.

Level one is for things that people commonly agree upon.  He wants to use a
couple of text books to see if we have all that is necessary in level one.

DF: We should not leave out any high school mathematics from Level one.

NS: If we know what an entity is, we can pronounce it more clearly.

NS: Level one should cover K through 14th grade.

SD: Content mathML is not set up well for geometry.

BM: If you can say something correctly, then it does not matter what level
the symbol is in.

NS: Level one should be the set of characters that everyone should care
about.

DC: You do not have to understand high level math,  you just need to say
what is there.

BM and DG will talk next week.

3. Start discussion: what's the intent of 'intent'...


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