Re: Notes from MathML Core meeting @ Mon Apr 1, 2019 11am - 12pm (PDT) (public-mathml4@w3.org)

I see from the discussion in the notes from the last meeting there are
people working to gather statistics. I had a quick exchange with Neil and
he thought it would be useful for me to gather stats on MathML usage at
Pearson. However, since Pearson is such a big company with many divisions,
I want to make sure I get as much specifics as possible on what I need to
ask people to collect.

Could someone set some parameters on the sort of stats that will be useful
to the MathML refresh efforts, and how quickly you need them? Are we trying
to determine which of the existing element tags are being used by content
editors? If there is a current data repository, it would be helpful for me
to know what types of information we have so far collected.

I apologize for not being able to attend any meetings thus far. They seem
to always conflict with other Pearson meetings. I hope to be able to start
attending some calls soon.

Thanks,

--Steve Noble

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 11:00 AM David Carlisle <davidc@nag.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Sorry for late response, and slightly incoherent notes. Note Charles has
> already posted the full audio recording and transcript.
>
> David
>
> * assign tasks
>
> Fred: people attend meetings but not otherwise take part.
> Fred: MathML Core/WPT tests: Igalia
> Change to Core spec (DavidC: volunteers to edit)
> Davidc: web-xslt polyfils will move to mathml-refresh
> Fred: mfenced core not using shadow do etc
> Brian: more "dom rewriters not polyfills"
>
> Fred: one use to use node.js to convert before publishing also real
> polyfills to be inserted inline.
>
> Brian: we should discuss specification of polyfills, eg use dom.js or node.
>
> Daniel: do we need to write passing WPT or can we also submit tests that
> fail.
>
> Fred: they can fail so long as they match the mathml core spec.
>
> Brian: If there is not already interop we would expect some browsers
> to fail some tests.
>
> Fred: Blog post showing start of Igalia mathml implementation in
> Chromium branch.
>
> Fred: At igalia we plan to add tests at same time as writing the
> implementation.
>
> David: We could have a local git under math-refresh where people could
> post possible tests for review by the group before submitting to WBT.
>
> Brian: support this idea
>
> link to existing test (passes in firefox)
> https://w3c-test.org/mathml/presentation-markup/fractions/frac-1.html
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__w3c-2Dtest.org_mathml_presentation-2Dmarkup_fractions_frac-2D1.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=hHk77cVi3LSVQlqkRjFydJevLG4X25vMig6uAsqU5qc&s=SECvMnpG4bCQCG_Zv8MudgWKsclfuewp0NHwlHEhQzU&e=>
>
>
> https://wpt.fyi/results/mathml/presentation-markup/fractions/frac-1.html?label=master&product=chrome%5Bexperimental%5D&product=edge&product=firefox%5Bexperimental%5D&product=safari%5Bexperimental%5D&aligned
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wpt.fyi_results_mathml_presentation-2Dmarkup_fractions_frac-2D1.html-3Flabel-3Dmaster-26product-3Dchrome-255Bexperimental-255D-26product-3Dedge-26product-3Dfirefox-255Bexperimental-255D-26product-3Dsafari-255Bexperimental-255D-26aligned&d=DwMFaQ&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=hHk77cVi3LSVQlqkRjFydJevLG4X25vMig6uAsqU5qc&s=D42OfwtX4zvQwJvLjXMvPYwTNdo06QfmDXQrgYE2kKY&e=>
>
> Rob: we can send an email intro to WBT and people can ask more on mail
> list,
>
> Rob: already a body of work for webkit, which could be converted to
> WBT tests which someone could do. in webkit (and also firefox)
> repositories.
>
> https://trac.webkit.org/browser/webkit/trunk/LayoutTests/mathml
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trac.webkit.org_browser_webkit_trunk_LayoutTests_mathml&d=DwMFaQ&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=hHk77cVi3LSVQlqkRjFydJevLG4X25vMig6uAsqU5qc&s=khqInuPIoIjgke8YcQwzkLnmx46oe7zYxg35FKxGibU&e=>
>
> Brian: volunteer (with Fred/Rob) to produce a walkthrough of how to
> convert a webkit to test to WPT.
>
>
> --
> Rob: we will give a presentation at BlinkOn, making slides/demos.
> Rob: error reporting:
>
> ---
> Daniel: Wiris will provide more statistics
> Fred: firefox may be able to provide stats on ff users
>
>
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Steve Noble
Instructional Designer, Accessibility
Psychometrics & Testing Services

*Pearson*

502 969 3088
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