Re: Spacing SC

Thanks Wayne.

On 1/16/17, Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com> wrote:
> Laura,
> I think your cases look good. I think we should research web components a
> little. HTML5 might not be as easy to address as people think.
>
> Wayne
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think that the LVTF should support SC's for spacing and font-family
>> even
>> if we cannot come up with an example of HTML that does not allow a
>> JavaScript modification.
>>
>> The reason is this. This level of support should have been part of 1.3.1.
>> It wasn't because WCAG WG used an intersection model. if a necessary
>> accommodation was not supported by all technologies, we could not make an
>> SC blocking certain authoring techniques.
>>
>> Our language lets the author off the hook on a platform or in a file
>> language that can't support the change. This is a union model. If there
>> is
>> one user agent that supports the feature then authors must write design
>> their page so that it does not conflict with that support. We can even
>> say
>> one commonly used agent.
>>
>> This model means that we should combine our techniques into one, so that
>> a  person can get feature x only on browser A but needs to go to browser
>> B
>> for feature y.
>>
>> I think we need a group statement on this.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Acrobat DC (not Acrobat reader) allows changes to line, character, and
>>> paragraph spacing, in editable PDFs. you can also change the font, font
>>> color, and font size.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Jonathan Avila <
>>> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > I tested in Safari and it respects user styles over author inline
>>>> styles. Jon,  the Stylish extension on Chrome and Firefox didn't
>>>> respect
>>>> user styles over author inline styles for me.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that is the point I was attempting to make-- from what I know
>>>> stylish adds in the styles as document level styles and they are not
>>>> seen
>>>> as "user level styles".  Many browsers don't let you add user level
>>>> styles
>>>> and thus we are stuck with tools that only allow us to enter document
>>>> level
>>>> styles.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Laura Carlson [mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:05 PM
>>>> To: Wayne Dick; Jonathan Avila
>>>> Cc: public-low-vision-a11y-tf; Shawn Henry
>>>> Subject: Re: Spacing SC
>>>>
>>>> Hi Wayne, Jon and all,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your comments on the Github Issue.
>>>>
>>>> I put together a simple test case:
>>>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/tests/user_styles/impo
>>>> rtant_spacing.html
>>>>
>>>> A spacing user stylesheet is also available. It uses Wayne's CSS
>>>> declarations. (Thanks Wayne!) http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson
>>>> /wcagwg/tests/user_styles/spacing.css
>>>>
>>>> Please test it and let me know your results.
>>>>
>>>> I tested in Safari and it respects user styles over author inline
>>>> styles. Jon,  the Stylish extension on Chrome and Firefox didn't
>>>> respect
>>>> user styles over author inline styles for me.
>>>>
>>>> Kindest Regards,
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> On 1/9/17, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Wayne,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you for checking the verbiage. Yes, I posted a first attempt at
>>>> > new language in a comment on the GitHub issue. It is at:
>>>> > https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-270716413
>>>> >
>>>> > According to the SC Managers Phase1 Wiki page, GitHub is the main
>>>> > platform for commenting on SCs. @mbgower proposed refining it a bit:
>>>> >
>>>> >> For all text presented in the content, each of the following is
>>>> >> true:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> * word spacing can be adjusted by the user
>>>> >>* line spacing can be adjusted by the user
>>>> >>* paragraph spacing can be adjusted by the user "
>>>> > https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-270822241
>>>> >
>>>> > Mike's language seems simpler. To me the word "adjusted" makes more
>>>> > sense than the word "selected".
>>>> >
>>>> > @patrickhlauke did some user style sheet testing. His findings:
>>>> >
>>>> >> providing that a user stylesheet is
>>>> >> written appropriately, !important in
>>>> >> the author's styles and style
>>>> >> attributes do NOT override the user
>>>> >> styles."
>>>> > https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-271170859
>>>> >
>>>> > Wayne and Shawn, do either of you have an example of where !important
>>>> > can't be overwritten by users? If so please comment in the GitHub
>>>> > issue.
>>>> > https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you!
>>>> >
>>>> > Kindest Regards,
>>>> > Laura
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jan 8, 2017 10:50 AM, "Wayne Dick" <wayneedick@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Laura,
>>>> >> This is exactly right.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A mechanism does exist- User Style Sheets for Accommodation.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Did you post this language?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Wayne
>>>> >>
>>>> >> PS: I will attend to font family.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Laura Carlson
>>>> >> <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > Hi again,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I added a first attempt at rewording the SC with exemptions.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > For the visual presentation of blocks of text:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > * character spacing can be selected by the user
>>>> >> > * word spacing can be selected by the user
>>>> >> > * line spacing can be selected by the user
>>>> >> > * paragraph spacing can be selected by the user
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > with following the exceptions:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > * If spacing of content is essential to that contents use, that
>>>> >> > part of the content is exempt.
>>>> >> > * If the user agent prohibits spacing adjustments the content is
>>>> >> > exempt.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-270716413
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Ideas for improvement?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Kindest Regards,
>>>> >> > Laura
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On 1/5/17, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> Hello Low Vision Task Force,
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Thank you for the discussion on the Spacing SC at today's
>>>> >> >> meeting.
>>>> >> >> Much appreciated.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I commented on the Github Issue to get people's thoughts on the
>>>> >> >> mobile exception approach.
>>>> >> >> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-270716413
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Please chime in with your perspective if you have something to
>>>> >> >> add.
>>>> >> >> Shawn, it would be terrific to have your thoughts in the GitHub
>>>> issue.
>>>> >> >> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Thanks.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Kindest Regards,
>>>> >> >> Laura
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> --
>>>> >> >> Laura L. Carlson
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > Laura L. Carlson
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Laura L. Carlson
>>>>
>>>
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Laura L. Carlson

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