Re: Compromise on popup trigger visibility

ah...
current
HoverIf the popup is triggered via pointer hover, then the pointer may be
moved onto the popup without loss of popup visibility.FocusThe popup remains
visible while the trigger or any popup component has keyboard focus, unless
the user takes an explicit action to close the popup.

Proposed...combination
Hover/Focus
The popup remains visible while the trigger or any popup component has
pointer hover or focus, unless the user takes an explicit action to close
the popup.

thinking about this...
what we want is
1. hover or focus on the trigger causes the popup
2. popup overlaps but does not obscure trigger (to aid mouse movement to
popup)
3. popup persists until hover is off popup
4. popup persists until focus is off trigger
5. ESC can end popup at anytime regardless of hover/focus status
6. if popup contains actionable items (links, controls, etc.), these items
are in the focus order immediately following the trigger only when popup is
present.
7. if popup triggers on focus/hover and ESC is hit, focus/hover returns to
the trigger, but does not cause the popup. (refocus or rehover is necessary
to have the popup reappear.

Did I miss anything? What goes in the SC, what goes in understanding doc?

Jim


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Repsher, Stephen J <
stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com> wrote:

> The problem is that the Hover bullet says nothing about persistence.  You
> could read it 2 ways:
>
> 1.       There is never a loss of visibility = infinite persistence and
> ESC is not explicitly allowed
>
> 2.       There is only no “initial” los of visibility = no persistence
> necessary (e.g. disappearing after 10 seconds is okay)
>
>
>
> The fact that the Focus bullet explicitly says “remains visible” and has
> the “unless…” clause to cover ESC reinforces this ambiguity.  I’m either
> going to repeat things in the Hover bullet or find a way to merge focus and
> hover, but that’s pretty difficult to do if we want to cover content that
> appears **only** on focus.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Allan [mailto:jimallan@tsbvi.edu]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2017 12:10 PM
> *To:* public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Fwd: Compromise on popup trigger visibility
>
>
>
> forgot to reply all
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Jim Allan* <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
> Date: Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Compromise on popup trigger visibility
> To: "Repsher, Stephen J" <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Repsher, Stephen J <
> stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, exactly.
>
>
>
> ESC being hit (or any explicit action, such as if the popup has a
> close/dismiss button), are currently covered on focus, but “persistence” on
> hover is on my list to clarify with some rewording.
>
>
>
> ​current
>
> Hover
>
> If the popup is triggered via pointer hover, then the pointer may be
> moved onto the popup without loss of popup visibility.
>
>
>
> Hover is a special case. having the popup overlap but not obscure content
> makes it easier to move the pointer onto the popup and not have it vanish.
>
> Base on my previous comment,
>
> ​
>
> -- popup stays open until hover is off the content or ESC is hit
>
> the popup would be persistent until the pointer is moved off of the
> trigger/popup or ESC is hit.
>
>
>
> Am I missing something?
>
>  ​
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Allan [mailto:jimallan@tsbvi.edu]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:03 AM
> *To:* Repsher, Stephen J <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>
> *Cc:* public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Compromise on popup trigger visibility
>
>
>
> I like the keyboard option.
>
> so, if the popup obscures the trigger, user hits ESC the popup closes and
> user can see the trigger.
>
> is this the only case or are the following allowed also
>
> ​​
>
> -- popup stays open until hover is off the content or ESC is hit
>
> -- popup stays open until focus is off trigger/content or ESC is hit
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Repsher, Stephen J <
> stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com> wrote:
>
> I’m looking for LVTF feedback on a proposed compromise to the trigger
> visibility condition.  Currently, the requirement is:
>
>
>
> “Trigger: The popup does not obscure any essential content within the
> trigger.”
>
>
>
> Based on this argument in a GitHub comment
> <https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/75#issuecomment-321078500>, I’m
> proposing we offer an either/or situation like:
>
>
>
> “Trigger: Either the popup does not obscure any essential content within
> the trigger, or the popup may be closed via a standard keyboard method,
> such as escape.”
>
>
>
> What do you think?  Does that leave any accessibility hole?
>
>
>
> *Steve Repsher*
>
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>
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> Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
>
> Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
> 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
> voice 512.206.9315 <(512)%20206-9315>    fax: 512.206.9452
> <(512)%20206-9452> http://www.tsbvi.edu/
>
> "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
>
> Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
> 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
> voice 512.206.9315 <(512)%20206-9315>    fax: 512.206.9452
> <(512)%20206-9452> http://www.tsbvi.edu/
>
> "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
>



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Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 <(512)%20206-9315>    fax: 512.206.9452
<(512)%20206-9452> http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964