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Re: Metadata On Hover SC Text

From: Erich Manser <emanser@us.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:42:50 -0500
To: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Cc: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, "Rochford, John" <john.rochford@umassmed.edu>, public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>, Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
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+1 to combining the text

In both cases the issue is the same - that hover triggers something which
obscures other important information (Cursor Overlapping
Tooltip Text in one, and Popup Text Overwriting Actionable Buttons in the
other)

I think Laura's consolidated text distills and captures that issue.

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From:	Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
To:	public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>,
            Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, "Rochford, John"
            <john.rochford@umassmed.edu>, Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
Date:	11/17/2016 10:04 AM
Subject:	Re: Metadata On Hover SC Text



Hi all,

I wrote:
> Ideas for new SC verbiage?

To kick this off, here is an idea that attempts to combine the hover
issues:

"Content that is necessary for understanding and appears on hover:
* is discernible,
* does not obscure other content, and
* is available by any input method.

Does that say it?

Thanks.

Kindest Regards,
Laura

On 11/17/16, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi John, Alistair, Wayne, and all,
>
> I am trying to understand the proposed change to the Metadata On Hover
> [1] SC text. During the October 27th meeting it was changed to:
> "Content that appears on hover should not obscure the triggering
> element or other content." After that Wayne asked me to add his "Popup
> Text Overwriting Actionable Buttons Example" screenshot, which I did.
>
> With these 2 changes it seems that the original issue may have gotten
> lost. The original issue was not content obscuring the triggering
> element or other content. It was the "Cursor Overlapping Tooltip Text
> on Hover" due to authors using title attributes. Simply put: Authors
> shouldn't not rely on tool tips alone. Authors should not put
> important information in title attributes that can become unreadable
> when content and cursors are enlarged. Information should be available
> through more than one mechanism.
>
> I think either Alistair's or my prior versions of the SC text address
> that original problem. That SC text was:
>
> 1. "Hidden content that is necessary for understanding is available
> using any available input method." - Alistair, 25 October 2016
> 2. "Metadata in a webpage that is shown on mouse-over does not include
> information necessary to perceive content." - Laura, 21 October 2016
>
> But now that we have 2 different hover issues 1) Cursor Overlapping
> Tooltip Text on Hover as well as 2) Popup Text Overwriting Actionable
> Buttons in this one SC, how do we best address both issues? Ideas for
> new SC verbiage?
>
> Or should they be 2 different SCs?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Laura
> [1]
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Metadata_on_Mouse-Over
>
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
>


--
Laura L. Carlson



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