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Minutes: Low Vision Task Force telecon 30 Mar. 2016

From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 12:06:22 -0500
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source: https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html

Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 30 Mar 2016

See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-irc>
Attendees
PresentJimA, shawn, JohnR, Laura, Andrew, Wayne, Erich, Jeanne, AWK,
JohnRochford, ScottMcCormack, JonAvila, jon_avila, Alan_SmithRegretsChairJimA
& AndrewKScribeWayne
Contents

   - Topics <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#agenda>
      1. Celebrate publication of FPWD!!!
      <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#item01>
      2. Getting word out about review of FPWD
      <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#item02>
      3. CSUN review
      <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#item03>
      4. Contrast requirements of interactive controls (from WCAG)
      <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#item04>
      5. LVTF position on contrast requirements for interactive control
      states <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#item05>
      6. Issue 32: Wording of Incidence
      <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#item06>
      7. Issue 33: Wording of Causes of Low Vision
      <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#item07>
      8. Causes of Low Vision
      <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#item08>
   - Summary of Action Items
   <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
   - Summary of Resolutions
   <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>

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<shawn> hummmm

I cannot get in webex, enter the meeting number?

<laura> Scribe List:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Scribe_List

scribe, Wayne

<AWK> +AWK
Celebrate publication of FPWD!!!

<shawn> scribe:Wayne

<AWK> Jim: yay
Getting word out about review of FPWD

Jim: There was a session on LV at CSUN. The people at the CSUN did not know
about our FPWD. Getting the word out. Spread it around to other groups.

Shawn: EO's dance card is full.

<ScottMcCormack> webex is asking for a meeting password

Jim: The deadline is short April 15, but we will take comments as long as
we need.

Shawn: We point to the official site, or the editors draft.

<laura> +q

JohnR: Maybe we could point to both.

<shawn> e-mail announcements with both links:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2016JanMar/0174.html

Laura: We can announce it to WCAG.

<shawn> approved version: https://www.w3.org/TR/low-vision-needs/

<shawn> Editor's Draft (more updated):
http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html

Andrew: We have talked about it at the call. Michael did forward it to the
list. We will evangelize it.

Shawn: WCAG WG has approved its publishing.

Eric: I
... IAAP is taking up Low Vision.

Jim: Welcome Scott McCormack

Scott: I am from BART and joined from an invite from Jon A.
CSUN review

Scott: The group was assembled by Joel Isac. This was to talk about
technical aspects. How each applies technology. There was an emphasis on
Low Vision in education.

<shawn> Wayne: some panel participants not want to actively participate in
TF, yet like the work and want to review doc

<shawn> Scott: group is largely non-technical

Scott: It is not a technical group, but they can give good review.

<shawn> [ plus this document is not technical -- later ones will be more so
]

Jim: People do not have to be technical. We need their pain points.

Shawn: This document is not technical.

<shawn> Wayne: setting up conference call w/ CS Council of Low Vision to
introduce doc

JohnR: That depends on your point of view. People who know nothing about
technology.

Shawn: We want this audience to understand the document. Even though
they're not the primary audience.

JohnR: I am a proponent of plain language. We need a simple way to explain
it.

Eric: Any thing with a hint of jargon causes some to glaze over.

<shawn> [ we do plan to do a language edit later ]

Scott: We are trying to explain Low Vision and even the aspects of low
vision are new to me.

JohnR: Now I am talking about a simplified version of text. One possibility
is a simple explanation followed by a more formal explanation.

<shawn> Wayne: @@

<Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to say Lainey Feingold web site does a good job
with it.

<jeanne> http://www.lflegal.com/2016/03/houston-press/#summary

More people are more likely to be familiar light sensivity than lumins.

Jeanne: Lainey Feingold does a good job of simplification.
Contrast requirements of interactive controls (from WCAG)

<shawn> zakim take up item 4
LVTF position on contrast requirements for interactive control states

<allanj>
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2016Mar/0061.html

Andrew: (We are not asking for LVTF necessarily) That would be good, but
WCAG seems to have forgotten. I don't know.

<shawn> Wayne: from e-mail, prefernce for all states meeting c ontrast
requirements

<shawn> ... can live w/ hover being poor contrast, but would rather not.

Jim: We have five members commented. Do you think the five could get
together and look into this issue?

<laura> +q

Scott: In an ideal world all would be high contrast. An absolute
requirement is that any state is read should have contrast.

Laura: The only pause, is the difficulty is the claime of difficulty
finding colors.

Andrew: If you have a focus color one can use the focus color.If there is a
use canse whaere hover needs to be different maybe.

Joh: Most people say hover and focus. The only difference is active. Unless
there is a important. Recommend focus and hover.

<shawn> proposal: focus & hover need to meet requirement. active does not

Andrew: We have a use case for focus and hover.

Jim: In the past IE used a different interpretation.

Scott: Will check.

Andrew: I will write up a resolution for focus and hover, and will pass it
around.

<shawn> s /Joh:/JonA:

*RESOLUTION: AWK to modify text of TF recommendation on focus and hover
state contrast and send to TF mailing list, to be then forwarded to WCAG*
Issue 32: Wording of Incidence

+1

<shawn> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/32

<allanj> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/32

Jim: we are working on rephrasing.

Shawn: If we 86% if we added the 14% are blind. Would that meet the point
of Denis but keep it shorter.

Andrew: My only concerned. Make sure our mathematics is correct.

JohnR: In the back of my mind I was thinking world wide.

Jim: We have that right.

Shawn: We need a fact check. Is this how we want to present it.
... Denis wants to make it clear that there are more LV than Blind.

Andrew: It puts is in appearing to set up a priority game.

<allanj> +1

Andrew: I worry about wanting to overemphasize the point.

JohnR: Denis is there any reason to say this percent is color blind.

Jim: It is not official low vision.

Shawn: Can we get across the idea that it is prevalent without saying it is
more important.

<JohnRochford> +1 to representation by percentages

<allanj> +1 percentage

<laura> +1

<shawn> +1 to both percents (and not 6 times)

<shawn> *ACTION:* Jim do fact check on "(WHO) estimates that there are 246
million people worldwide who have low vision and 39 million people are
blind, indicating that generally 16% of people with visual impairments are
blind and 84% have low vision." [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Do fact check on "(who) estimates that there
are 246 million people worldwide who have low vision and 39 million people
are blind, indicating that generally 16% of people with visual impairments
are blind and 84% have low vision." [on Jim Allan - due 2016-04-06].

<alan_smith> Joining late

<alan_smith> + on percentages for a business case statistic

<shawn> Wayne: lots of people with low vision feel left out. solutions for
blind are expected to meet low vision, but don't
Issue 33: Wording of Causes of Low Vision

<shawn> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/33
Causes of Low Vision

<JohnRochford> Got to go, folks. Ciao.

<AWK> AWK just sent updated wording on focus/hover to LVTF list

Andrew: There is difficulty with defect. There is a concern about not
noting the icrease in age related low vision.

<shawn> Wayne: in places where correction is available, about 1/2 is
age-related

<shawn> *ACTION:* Shawn follow up with DEnis on
https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/33 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Follow up with denis on
https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/33 [on Shawn Henry - due
2016-04-06].

<allanj> close item 6

Eric: A question came in about SVG that include text. Can we include this
as an agenda item.

Andrew: This should be in the success criteria.

<allanj> jonA: may be issues with changing color, css

<allanj> perhaps there is a use case

<allanj> shawn: maybe an example for getting information from images

Jon: Does this meet images of text. You can resize but changes to font and
color are not addressed.

<laura> bye

trackbot, end meeting
Summary of Action Items *[NEW]* *ACTION:* Jim do fact check on "(WHO)
estimates that there are 246 million people worldwide who have low vision
and 39 million people are blind, indicating that generally 16% of people
with visual impairments are blind and 84% have low vision." [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* Shawn follow up with DEnis on
https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/33 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]

Summary of Resolutions

   1. AWK to modify text of TF recommendation on focus and hover state
   contrast and send to TF mailing list, to be then forwarded to WCAG
   <https://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-lvtf-minutes.html#resolution01>

[End of minutes]

-- 
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315    fax: 512.206.9264  http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
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