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Re: 10 Use Cases for Trust on the Web using LOD

From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 04:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
To: public-lod@w3.org, Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <250008860.1101414.1584333386060@mail.yahoo.com>
 Henry, you are spreading Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD).  Stop it, stop it right now.
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30120-1/fulltext

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Gannon (J) Dick


    On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 4:49:04 PM CDT, Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Following my reply to Dick Gannon, I added two extra uses
cases to the 10 I had listed previously 

• Trusting Linked Data
• Provenance

Both of those will also I think need an institutional Web of Trust.
I linked to the answer I gave in the mailing list for the first
one and cite the PROV work in the second.

https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee

I also improved the grammar of the blog post.

Look forward to some more feedback :-)

Henry


> On 15 Mar 2020, at 19:30, Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 15 Mar 2020, at 18:35, Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Henry,
>> 
>> 
>> (Country Profiles)
>> https://www.purl.org/pii/country/profiles
> 
> Let me go through a few epistemological steps, to
> make the point of the blog post. The question we are
> asking is: how can I trust the info I am reading?
> Let’s start.
> 
> ----
> 
> Your purl redirects to secure6.securewebexchange.com .
> Who owns that company?
> As a techy I can find this out like this:
> 
> $  whois  securewebexchange.com | grep Admin
> Registrant Name: Domain Admin
> Registry Admin ID:
> Admin Name: Domain Admin
> Admin Organization: Deluxe Enterprise Operations, LLC
> Admin Street: 2300 Glades Rd, Suite #301E
> Admin City: Boca Raton
> Admin State/Province: FL
> Admin Postal Code: 33431
> Admin Country: US
> Admin Phone: +1.8003229438
> Admin Phone Ext.:
> Admin Fax:
> Admin Fax Ext.:
> Admin Email: corp-domains@aplus.net
> Tech Name: Domain Admin
> 
> FL stands for Florida (I know that as a techy who has worked on the web
> for 28 years, and on started discovering the internet in the 1980ies).
> 
> So this is a company declared to be in Florida.
> But I also know that this information is self declared info, so is
> it correct? Is there a big legal obligation to keep this data correct?
> 
> When I first go to that Web Site the browser should be able to immediately
> find a link from the web site, and get official information from 
> the Florida business state registrar, and show me that, to tell
> me what kind of company it is, who the owners are, what kind of 
> business they are, etc… This should be done in an intuitive UI
> that everybody can understand, perhaps even with a map of the
> globe to show people where Florida is. (It may be obvious to
> people in the US, but many people around the world will not
> know and neither will children, or even many teenagers.)
> 
> Anyway I guess what you wanted to look at were the links in the
> data found there. Each one of them points to a CIA factsheet
> page. Eg. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ax.html
> 
> Who is the CIA? Is that web site real? We here know because we know
> that .gov is owned by the US government. How many people know that?
> Especially outside the US? Do you know what the chinese government 
> web site is, or the Japanese, or that of Pakistan? or Russia? 
> (And if you do, how long did it take you to make sure?)
> 
> And then is it reasonable to ask people around the world to trust
> US Central Intelligence Agency data about what they think of countries?
> (Assuming you think that data should be used by browsers, or people 
> should use it to evaluate countries? I am not sure because you
> don’t give any context to your links)
> 
> Furthermore the data there tells us what the CIA thinks of a country,
> but not about the company we landed on. Eg. securewebexchange.com.
> What I want to know as a UK citizen is what my country’s diplomatic 
> relations with the country in which the company behind a web site is located,
> and what that country’s company registry says about that company,
> what its domain of expertise is.
> 
> 
>> 
>> (Dashboards)
>> https://www.purl.org/pii/usa/county/profiles
> 
> Ok so here I guess you are trying to link to a profile on data on influenza.
> The company publishing this data is securewebexchange.com again.
> Who is that company? Can I rely on them? How do I know? What legal
> jurisdiction are they in? Are they really in florida or did they have
> a PO box there, and are actually remote? What is their financial situation?
> In short why should I trust the data there?
> 
> Furthermore part of the data is loaded from a different site, so that
> the browser gives me a warning as to the security of it.
> 
> The smileys on the page link to 
> http://www.rustprivacy.org/2019/county/XHTML/45.40OK375.html
> 
> who are they? They also have an insecure connection my browser
> tells me. Whois tells me very little about the company behind
> the web site. It gives me an 0800 number and tells me it is in
> FL (Florida?). Are they in Medicine? Why should I trust their
> data?
> 
> So you gave me data that may be correct but that I can’t really use,
> because I have no idea what the agent making the claim is responsible
> for.
> 
> ——
> 
> Hopefully that helps make clear why the Web of Nations institutional
> web of trust is needed. :-)
> So thanks for the use case. 
> 
> https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee
> 
> Henry Story
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 11:17:45 AM CDT, Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>>    ”Trust is the Oil of the Future” someone wrote 
>> recently [1].
>> And so the question is how does one rebuild trust when, 
>> at a global scale, peer to peer connections by themselves 
>> cannot be enough. How can people who retweet some info
>> about say Covid19 know that the information comes from a 
>> trusted  source? Indeed how do you know?
>> 
>>  I put together 10 use cases as to how Linked Data can
>> help here that cover everything from trusting small web sites, 
>> to stopping phishing, to stemming fake news, helping
>> anchor verifiable claims, as well as help build less intrusive
>> interfaces for GDPR.
>> 
>> https://medium.com/@bblfish/use-cases-for-the-web-of-nations-361c24d5eaee
>> 
>> I’d be interested in any comments on this, and look forward to
>> adding any ideas that I may have missed.
>> 
>> Henry Story
>> 
>> [1] https://twitter.com/GarethPresch/status/1239144639782891520
> 
> 

  
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