Re: Please publish Turtle or JSON-LD instead of RDF/XML [was Re: Recommendation for transformation of RDF/XML to JSON-LD in a web browser?]

Maybe saying it is "pedagogical" is being charitable.

Working programmers learn by book much less than they should;  the strategy
of "search Google,  copy some code from stackoverflow,  and mess around
with it until it seems to work" is common and what we can do about it is to
push the new syntax so hard in every way so that we can drown out the old
stuff.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Kevin Ford <kefo@3windmills.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> If by 'publishing' you mean 'from a web service for consumption' then I
> feel the suggestion to deprecate RDF/XML is an over correction.  Of course,
> it is not too difficult to move between RDF serializations, but if the
> publishing service provides a variety of serializations, it is likely to
> increase the usefulness of that service to a consumer.
>
> Diminish its role as a pedagogical tool.  That's the issue, no?
>
> Best,
> Kevin
>
>
>
> On 9/3/15 4:11 PM, David Booth wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I can appreciate the value of RDF/XML for certain processing tasks, and
>> I'm okay with keeping RDF/XML alive as a *processing* format.  My
>> suggestion to deprecate RDF/XML was intended to apply to its use as a
>> *publishing* format.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David Booth
>>
>> On 09/03/2015 03:52 PM, John Walker wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Martynas,
>>>
>>> Indeed abandoning XML based serialisations would be foolish IMHO.
>>>
>>> Both RDF/XML and TriX can be extremely useful in certain circumstances.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On 3 Sep 2015, at 19:53, Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@graphity.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> With due respect, I think it would be foolish to burn the bridges to
>>>> XML. The XML standards and infrastructure are very well developed,
>>>> much more so than JSON-LD's. We use XSLT extensively on RDF/XML.
>>>>
>>>> Martynas
>>>> graphityhq.com
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:03 PM, David Booth <david@dbooth.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Side note: RDF/XML was the first RDF serialization standardized,
>>>>> over 15
>>>>> years ago, at a time when XML was all the buzz. Since then other
>>>>> serializations have been standardized that are far more human
>>>>> friendly to
>>>>> read and write, and easier for programmers to use, such as Turtle and
>>>>> JSON-LD.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, even beyond ease of use, one of the biggest problems with
>>>>> RDF/XML
>>>>> that I and others have seen over the years is that it misleads
>>>>> people into
>>>>> thinking that RDF is a dialect of XML, and it is not.  I'm sure this
>>>>> misconception was reinforced by the unfortunate depiction of XML in the
>>>>> foundation of the (now infamous) semantic web layer cake of 2001,
>>>>> which in
>>>>> hindsight is just plain wrong:
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2001/09/06-ecdl/slide17-0.html
>>>>> (Admittedly JSON-LD may run a similar risk, but I think that risk is
>>>>> mitigated now by the fact that RDF is already more established in
>>>>> its own
>>>>> right.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I encourage all RDF publishers to use one of the other standard RDF
>>>>> formats
>>>>> such as Turtle or JSON-LD.  All commonly used RDF tools now support
>>>>> Turtle,
>>>>> and many or most already support JSON-LD.
>>>>>
>>>>> RDF/XML is not officially deprecated, but I personally hope that in
>>>>> the next
>>>>> round of RDF updates, we will quietly thank RDF/XML for its faithful
>>>>> service
>>>>> and mark it as deprecated.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Booth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


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