Re: "Microsoft Access" for RDF?

On 2/19/15 1:40 PM, Bo Ferri wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> maybe I'm wrong, but I think what you are generally looking for (in 
> the Semantic Web world) is the things that are going on at RDF Shapes 
> group [1], or (but I guess you are aware of them)? What they can't do 
> (yet; afaik) is the "family instance loop check", or?
>
> On 2/18/2015 11:59 PM, Paul Houle wrote:
>> For small projects you don't need access controls,  provenance and that
>> kind of thing,  but if you were trying to run something like Freebase
>> and Wikidata where you know what the algebra is the obvious thing to do
>> is use RDF* and SPARQL*.
>
> No, why? - Wikidata's data model goes beyond RDF (triple based 
> statements) for good reason. I'm always wondering why the heck we 
> "true" Semantic Web developer still insist so hard on our beloved RDF 
> (which all its drawbacks). 

Huh?

> Look forward. Think property graph and graph databases in general ;)
What?

> You can also combine both perfectly, see, e.g., this graph data model 
> [3] - RDF compatible, but able to store qualified attributes (e.g. 
> order or provenance) at statement basis (without reification et. al).

RDF is a Language, poorly promoted as a  Data Model (a term which is 
ultimately a can of worms, exemplified by all the confusion its 
inflicted on everyone to date).

> Re. editing of graph information, you may have a look at OrientDB's 
> graph editor [4], which offers neat editing options direct in the 
> graph (yay!).

Seriously?

I do not know of a single so-called "Graph Database" that even 
comprehends the concept of data de-silo-fication [1][2][3][4]. 
Basically, for data to flow it can only do so via identifiers that 
resolve to descriptions using a platform agnostic protocol.

Data is represented using relations [5][6].

RDF is a Data Representation Language [7].

Links:

[1] https://www.pinterest.com/pin/389561436492223291/ -- What sits 
between You and Your data
[2] http://twitter.com/kidehen/status/567723528318124033 -- Open 
Database Connectivity vs Open Data Connectivity
[3] 
http://kidehen.blogspot.com/2014/08/linked-local-data-lld-and-linked-open.html 
-- Linked Local Data vs Linked Open Data
[4] https://www.pinterest.com/pin/389561436493662240/ -- What RDF is 
about, illustrated (as they say: a picture speaks a thousand words)
[5] http://twitter.com/kidehen/status/568462066207625216 -- What is a 
Relation?
[6] http://twitter.com/kidehen/status/568461114129956864 -- What is a 
Predicate?
[7] http://www.slideshare.net/kidehen/understanding-29894555/55 -- RDF 
is a Language .

Kingsley
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Bo
>
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Main_Page
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_database
> [3] https://github.com/dswarm/dswarm-documentation/wiki/Graph-Data-Model
> [4] 
> http://www.orientechnologies.com/docs/2.0/orientdb-studio.wiki/Graph-Editor.html
>
>
>


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