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Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013

From: Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 10:04:44 +0200
Message-ID: <51836F9C.4040503@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
To: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
CC: "Dawson, Laura" <Laura.Dawson@bowker.com>, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>, Steve Pettifer <steve.pettifer@manchester.ac.uk>, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>, Linking Open Data <public-lod@w3.org>
Hi  Robert,
don't get me wrong: For most of the RDF cases Open Annotation is fine. I 
was talking here about non-RDF use cases, e.g. HTML.
You gave one example yourself:
<a 
href="http://www.openannotation.org/spec/core/core.html#FragmentURIs">AnchorText</a> 

or <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/house#English-abode">the 
meaning of house in the sense of abode</a>

You can not put RDF into the "href" attribute and you would need extra 
infrastructure (a server + service for minting and resolving URIs) to 
send around a simple link.

--Sebastian


Am 03.05.2013 09:23, schrieb Robert Sanderson:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Thank you for the comments on Open Annotation!
>
> We agree, of course, that fragments are extremely important.  In Open 
> Annotation we have a hybrid approach consisting of three parts:
>
> * If the resource can be described solely using fragments, then we 
> promote that.
> http://www.openannotation.org/spec/core/core.html#FragmentURIs
>
> * However there are situations when we need more information than can 
> be provided in a fragment, such as also adding the time of the 
> representation or providing style information for the segment, then we 
> introduce a FragmentSelector resource that provides the fragment 
> syntax along with this additional information.
> http://www.openannotation.org/spec/core/specific.html#FragmentSelector
>
> * And then there are the situations where the fragment syntax isn't 
> sufficient or doesn't exist.  For example circles or arbitrary paths 
> in spatial dimensions, arbitrary text in any textual resource, or 
> selections in resources with media types that do not have fragment 
> definitions at all.  In these cases we have to look elsewhere, and use 
> additional Selector resources.
> http://www.openannotation.org/spec/core/specific.html#Selectors
>
> We would be very happy for additional engagement and discussion in 
> this area as to best practices and recommendations.
> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/
>
>
> Rob Sanderson
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Dawson, Laura 
> <Laura.Dawson@bowker.com <mailto:Laura.Dawson@bowker.com>> wrote:
>
>     Short DOIs for fragment IDs?
>
>     From: Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de
>     <mailto:hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>>
>     Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:33 PM
>     To: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl <mailto:p.t.groth@vu.nl>>
>     Cc: Steve Pettifer <steve.pettifer@manchester.ac.uk
>     <mailto:steve.pettifer@manchester.ac.uk>>, Sarven Capadisli
>     <info@csarven.ca <mailto:info@csarven.ca>>, "public-lod@w3.org
>     <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>" <public-lod@w3.org
>     <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
>     Subject: Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013
>     Resent-From: "public-lod@w3.org <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>"
>     <public-lod@w3.org <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
>     Resent-Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:34 PM
>
>     Open annotation is great. Really powerful and well designed
>     ontology and model. It doesn't replace fragment ids, however. Both
>     are necessary:
>     frag ids to link with in simple use cases (e.g. HTML) and the
>     other one to annotate properly.
>     A bridge between them would be nice.
>
>     All the best,
>     Sebastian
>
>     Am 02.05.2013 18:00, schrieb Paul Groth:
>>     Hi Sebastien,
>>
>>     I use latex as well. Utopia is a pdf reader.
>>
>>     But utopia does support referencing bits of the pdf. As I
>>     understand, they are moving to extending the open annotation
>>     ontology. I've cc'd Steve Pettifer who created Utopia and who
>>     will known the ins-and-outs.
>>
>>     Currently, they store all the annotations separately.
>>
>>     Thanks
>>     Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Sebastian Hellmann
>>     <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de
>>     <mailto:hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Paul,
>>         personally for me latex works best, because it has good
>>         editors and support for description logic formulas. Plus it
>>         is widely used and quite good for PDF typesetting.
>>
>>         It would be really swell to be able to address content within
>>         PDF with identifiers. Did Utopia solve that problem?
>>
>>         I am asking along the lines of
>>         - mediafragments [1]
>>         - RFC 5147 text fragment identifier (see the example at the
>>         bottom of [2])
>>         - xpointer/xpath [3]
>>
>>         If yes, I would like to use it immediately. There are plans
>>         to convert the Google Mention corpus (which includes PDF's)
>>         to NIF [2] .
>>         The PDF Open Parameters provided by [4] are way too simple.
>>
>>         All the best,
>>         Sebastian
>>
>>         [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/
>>         <http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/>
>>         [2] (example is at the bottom of .ttl file)
>>         http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core
>>         [3] e.g. http://example.com/exampledoc.html#xpath(/html/body
>>         <http://example.com/exampledoc.html#xpath%28/html/body>[1]/h2[1]/span[1]/text()[1])
>>         [4]
>>         http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/acrobat/PDFOpenParameters.pdf#page=7
>>
>>         Am 02.05.2013 12:55, schrieb Paul Groth:
>>>         Hi Sarven,
>>>
>>>         Beyond the PDF for me is moving beyond the current research
>>>         communication system as highlighted by the Force 11
>>>         manifesto (http://www.force11.org/white_paper). This
>>>         includes adopting technologies that augment/extend (i.e. go
>>>         beyond) existing technologies. For example, making data
>>>         easily accessible and citable, providing links to online
>>>         content, making multiple perspectives on content available,
>>>         exposing provenance, using altmetrics. I'm very influenced
>>>         by the work on Utopia (http://utopiadocs.com) so that's why
>>>         I think using pdfs are fine - you can do a lot with them as
>>>         they stand - and for a certain form of communication
>>>         (written long form text) they work well. As technologist we
>>>         need to make sure that these new technologies work well in
>>>         the environment and connect to other things.
>>>
>>>         cheers
>>>         Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Sarven Capadisli
>>>         <info@csarven.ca <mailto:info@csarven.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             On 05/02/2013 12:23 PM, Paul Groth wrote:
>>>
>>>                 I think Harry makes the point better than I can.
>>>
>>>
>>>             Paul, I have one last question for you if you don't
>>>             mind, because it seems like you are not interested in
>>>             playing this out and I don't want to bother you further:
>>>             what does "beyond the PDF" mean to you?
>>>
>>>             -Sarven
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>         -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>         Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl <mailto:p.t.groth@vu.nl>)
>>>         http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ <http://www.few.vu.nl/%7Epgroth/>
>>>         Assistant Professor
>>>         - Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
>>>         - The Network Institute
>>>         VU University Amsterdam
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>         Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
>>         Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
>>         Events: NLP & DBpedia 2013
>>         (http://nlp-dbpedia2013.blogs.aksw.org, Deadline: *July 8th*)
>>         Venha para a Alemanha como PhD:
>>         http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf
>>         Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org ,
>>         http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
>>         Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
>>         Research Group: http://aksw.org <http://aksw.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl <mailto:p.t.groth@vu.nl>)
>>     http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ <http://www.few.vu.nl/%7Epgroth/>
>>     Assistant Professor
>>     - Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
>>     - The Network Institute
>>     VU University Amsterdam
>
>
>     -- 
>     Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
>     Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
>     Events: NLP & DBpedia 2013 (http://nlp-dbpedia2013.blogs.aksw.org,
>     Deadline: *July 8th*)
>     Venha para a Alemanha como PhD:
>     http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf
>     <http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf>
>     Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org ,
>     http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
>     Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
>     Research Group: http://aksw.org
>
>


-- 
Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
Events: NLP & DBpedia 2013 (http://nlp-dbpedia2013.blogs.aksw.org, 
Deadline: *July 8th*)
Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf
Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org , 
http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
Research Group: http://aksw.org
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