- From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:17:53 +0100
- To: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
- Cc: ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>, Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>, Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>, "public-egov-ig@w3.org" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose@gmail.com>, "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>, Paul Cockshott <william.cockshott@glasgow.ac.uk>
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On 20 March 2013 15:38, Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> wrote: > Not suggesting you get official listing, just that the three alpha > language codes could easily be aggregated as "using other people's stuff". > You get TimStars for that :-) > yes actually we will do that already due to the magic of JSON LD ... so USD will map to a URL but so can any other ... > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> > *To:* Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> > *Cc:* ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>; Brent > Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>; Michel Bauwens < > michel@p2pfoundation.net>; "public-egov-ig@w3.org" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>; > Samuel Rose <samuel.rose@gmail.com>; "public-lod@w3.org" < > public-lod@w3.org>; Paul Cockshott <william.cockshott@glasgow.ac.uk> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:26 AM > > *Subject:* Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data > > > > On 20 March 2013 15:17, Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> wrote: > > FWIW Melvin, > > ISO Currency Codes (three alpha) and ISO (Bibliographic - three alpha) > Language Codes have almost no overlap QAR, Qatari Rial is in a "local use" > language slot, that is all. The path of least effort for linked data would > be to add bitcoin, etc. in this local space. > > This page has the merged code set and the language links to the US LOC > Linked Data Servers (They are the ISO Language Authority). If you need the > data in CSV or a MySQL table I can supply that - I never intended this page > to be more than a temporary bridge and proof of concept. > > http://www.rustprivacy.org/2012/urn/lang/person/ > > > I think Bhutan own BTC maybe XBC could be used for bitcoin, but it is a > huge effort to get listed > > I'm not a huge fan of these ISO registries, just use the web ... I think > we're going to put a bunch of currencies at https://w3id.org > > > > --Gannon > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> > *To:* ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com> > *Cc:* Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>; Brent Shambaugh < > brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>; Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>; " > public-egov-ig@w3.org" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>; Samuel Rose < > samuel.rose@gmail.com>; "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>; Paul > Cockshott <william.cockshott@glasgow.ac.uk> > *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2013 11:09 AM > > *Subject:* Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data > > > > On 18 March 2013 16:50, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program < > metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote: > > If you somehow got the impression that I side with classic economics and > political sciences, let me remove any doubts from your mind. > > I am a mathematician with a keen interest in astronomy and quantum > physics. Mathematics and science should be universal and not > anthropocentric. > > I therefore do not espouse traditional economics and shun political > sciences. > > And your reference to Terran sidereal time reeks of anthropocentric > thinking because cheap labor is not an exclusively human phenomenon. > > And with Planetary Resources and Moon Express planning to mine asteroids > and the nearby Moon soon other celestial time frames will be used keeping > time in utilizing cheap (mining) labor. > > > It seems we're reaching a turning point where fiat currency and supporting > institutions are in decline (see cyprus) and digital currencies are in the > the ascendency. > > Linked data is the eventual end tool that stitches it all together. > > However in the interim: > > We see to have the currency problem more or less solved by bitcoin and its > offspring. > > Finally we have (at least in beta) a clearing system in the form of > ripple. Ripple is different in that there is much more of a human > element. We'll have to wait and see how well this does. > > I dont agree that the current system is terrible, I would apply the "good > but not exceptional" cliche. Allowing the web to complete it's mission of > 'connecting everything to everything' via linked data is just going to make > things so much better, both in the economy and in general quality of life > for all... > > > > > > Milton Ponson > GSM: +297 747 8280 > PO Box 1154, Oranjestad > Aruba, Dutch Caribbean > Project Paradigm: A structured approach to bringing the tools for > sustainable development to all stakeholders worldwide by creating ICT > tools for NGOs worldwide and: providing online access to web sites and > repositories of data and information for sustainable development > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. > This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the > individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> > *To:* Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>; Michel Bauwens < > michel@p2pfoundation.net>; "public-egov-ig@w3.org" <public-egov-ig@w3.org> > > *Cc:* ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>; Samuel > Rose <samuel.rose@gmail.com>; "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>; > Paul Cockshott <william.cockshott@glasgow.ac.uk> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:14 PM > > *Subject:* Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data > > Milton Ponson wrote: > Thus we are able to create economic models that incorporate security, > resilience, reliability and sustainability. > > As we speak thousands and thousands of engineers and scientists are > already tackling the fundamental task of coming up with new > all-encompassing paradigms and the 7th IEEE International Conference on > Digital Ecosystems and Technologies will deal with quite a few of these > issues. > ============= > Let me rephrase in these terms ... > > If work starts at Noon, the next Noon is about 23h56m (Sidereal Time) > away. The probability of you being paid to start work 4 minutes early is > Zero*. > > "all-encompassing paradigm":The mechanics of time and labor for hire are > the Perfect Storm of truncation errors. > > --Gannon > > * Before somebody else says it: The probability of an unnoticed 4 minute > per day systemic failure is (Political Science + Economics)/2. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> > *To:* Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>; Michel Bauwens < > michel@p2pfoundation.net>; "public-egov-ig@w3.org" <public-egov-ig@w3.org> > > *Cc:* ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>; Samuel > Rose <samuel.rose@gmail.com>; "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>; > Paul Cockshott <william.cockshott@glasgow.ac.uk> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 16, 2013 10:02 AM > *Subject:* Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data > > Hi Brent, > > Cheer up, everybody's closet has Monsters. At least you have your closet > and not mine :-) > > The dark side to a distributed economy is that models which stretch time > along latitude lines for navigation purposes also "predict" Global Warming > at the Equator. This is a whole different problem than *observing real* > Global Warming in the Arctic. The motivation of the Overseer to keep the > Field Hands at work (just a little) longer (than the Plantation down the > road) is age old. > > However, if you know the "stretch" you can compute this "Global Economic > Warming" artifact. > Tie a rubber band to the equator and tie the other end to the Arctic > Circle on the other side of the Pole. > Stretch over the Pole > Apparent time 90.833 Degrees > Civil Time 96 Degrees > Nautical Time 102 Degrees > Astronomical Time 108 Degrees > > The difference in apparent duration of sunlight (%) integrated over a year > is: > Canberra 99.32% > Santiago de Chile 99.71% > Jakarta 104.6% > Singapore 105.4% > Kiev (Kyiv) 95.22% > London 94.84% > Washington 98.49% > > This is the apparent "cheap labor" business has been chasing. Scientists > (should not) want any part of this made up nonsense. Linked data is > vulnerable to the deception ... unless you understand the game. > > --Gannon > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> > *To:* Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net> > *Cc:* ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>; Samuel > Rose <samuel.rose@gmail.com>; "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>; > Paul Cockshott <william.cockshott@glasgow.ac.uk> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 16, 2013 1:17 AM > *Subject:* Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data > > Hello Everyone, > > Sometimes I get upset and afraid. I know I am missing a lot, and it is > difficult for me to comprehend what is going on in the world. I'm happy > that everyone is here. > > -Brent > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Brent Shambaugh < > brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote: > > In an attempt to understand the conversation we had, I was sent in a > flurry of confusion. I started checking out books, and one was Resilience > by Andrew Zolli and Ann Marie Healy. I found a few quotes that seem > exciting to me: > > "Adhocracies thrive on data. And by the stroke of fantastic luck, we're > currently witnessing the global birth of an adhocracy of data -- a global > revolution that, for the first time, empowers orgranizations with the > capacity to collect and correlate widely distributed real-time information > about the way many critical systems are performing. This kind of open data > will play a central role in resilience strategies for years to come." pg. > 266, Resilience, Andrew Zolli and Ann Marie Healy > > "And for organizations of all types there is a powerful lesson here: > Resilience benefits accrue to organizations that prioritize the collection, > presentation, and sharing of data." pg. 269, Resilience, Andrew Zolli and > Ann Marie Healy > > "A related theme in the resilience discussion is the importance of > networks, which provide a universal, abstract reference system for > describing how information, resources, and behaviours flow through many > complex systems. Having a common means to describe biological, economic, > and ecological systems, for example, allows researchers to make comparisons > between the ways these very different kinds of entities approach similar > problems, such as stopping a contagion - whether an actual virus, a > financial panic, an unwanted behavior, or an environmental contaminant - > when it begins to spread. Having a shared frame of reference allows us to > consider how successful tactics in one domain might be applied to another - > as we'll see in newly emerging fields like ecological finance." pg 19, > Resilience, Andrew Zolli and Ann Marie Healy > > "Rather the resilience frame suggests a different, complementary effort to > mitigation: to redesign our institutions, embolden our communities, > encourage innovation and experimentation, and support our people in ways > that will help them be prepared and cope with surprises and distruptions, > even as we work to fend them off." pg 23, Resilience, Andrew Zolli and Ann > Marie Healy > > It is interesting that Buckminster Fuller wrote about similar ideas over > 30 years ago: > > "The inefficiency of automobiles' reciprocating engines - and their > traffic-system-wasted fuel - and the energy inefficiency of today's > buildings, are only two of hundreds of thousands of instances that can be > cited of the design-avoidable energy wastage. But the technical raison > d'etre for either the energy-effectiveness gains or losses is all > completely invisible to human eyes. Thus, the significance of their > omni-integratable potentialities is uncomprehended by either the world's > leaders or the led. > Neither the great political and financial power structures of the world, > nor the specialization-blinded professionals, nor the population in general > realize the sum-totally the omni-engineering-integratable, invisible > revolution in metallurgical, chemical, and electronic arts now makes it > possible to do so much more with ever fewer pounds and volumes of material, > ergs of energy, and seconds of time per given technological function that > it is now highly feasible to take care of everybody on Earth at a "higher > standard of living than any have ever known.", pg. xxv, Critical Path, R. > Buckminster Fuller > > "World Game will become increasingly effective in its prognoses and > programming when the world-around, satellite-interrelayed computer system > and its omni-Universe-operative (time-energy) accounting system are > established. This system will identify the kilowatt-hour-expressed world > inventory of foods, raw and recirculating resources, and all the world's > unique mechanical and structural capabilities and their operating > capacities as well as the respective kilowatt-hours of available > energy-income-derived operating power with which to put their facilities to > work. All the foregoing information will become available in respect to all > the world-around technology's environment-controlling, life-sustaining, > travel- and communication-accomidating structures and machines.", pg. 219, > Critical Path, R. Buckminster Fuller > > I'm happy that Milton Ponson pointed out Resilience. I had never thought > about resilience before. Looking into it was very gratifying. It gave me > some confidence that I was perhaps doing some things right, but at the same > time startled me by how much there is to learn to somehow survive the free > fall. Doing a search for Linked Data and Resilience gave me a result from > rkbexpolorer ( > http://www.rkbexplorer.com/explorer/#display=project-{http%3A//wiki.rkbexplorer.com/id/resist}<http://www.rkbexplorer.com/explorer/#display=project-%7Bhttp%3A//wiki.rkbexplorer.com/id/resist%7D>) > which is from the ReSIST (Resilience for Survivability) project in Europe ( > http://www.resist-noe.org/). They also have some links to some free > course material at <http://resist.isti.cnr.it/home.php>. > > I believe my blog evolved to explore a peer-to-peer economy. Michael > Bauwens desribes such economies as distributed networks, "As political, > economic, and social systems transform themselves into distributed > networks, a new human dynamic is emerging: peer to peer (P2P). As P2P gives > rise to the emergence of a third mode of production, a third mode of > governence, and a third mode of property, it is poised to overhaul our > political economy in unprecendented ways." ( > www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=499) > > This suggests something broader. As a result of our conversation, I also > looked at some people with socialist views such as Roberto Verzola, W. Paul > Cockshott and Allin Cottrell, Raoul Viktor, and Heinz Dieterich. > > Roberto Verzola describes an economy of abundance, which may indeed be > linked to P2P technologies. > > "An economy of abundance seeks to dismantle or reform these > scarcity-generating institutions in such a way as to affirm our freedom to > live life as art (self-expression to others), social equity (so that > everything can live life as art), and sustainability (so that all life can > thrive into the future). Among other things, this implies a much greater > role for various forms of shared property, individual an community-level > self-reliance, and participatory decision making." ( > http://www.shareable.net/blog/event-the-economics-of-abundance) > > He also argues that for innovation to proceed, everyone seeking knowledge > should have access to it. > > "the most important means to ensure that innovation can proceed is to > ensure that everyone seeking knowledge has access to it. ... Knowledge that > helps empower people depends on openness, while knowledge that is used to > coerce, to exert power over the disempowered, thrives on secrecy" p. 150, > The Economics of Abunance: A Political Economy of Freedom, Equity and > Sustainability, Roberto Verzola > > This seems to align well with my present feelings. > > I feel that engineering is so saturated with IP, that it is hard to feel > like you're not going to be doing that. At the same time I want to develop > my skills and thrive. How do become a Professional Engineer and not feel > like you're going to be doing that? What if you don't like the lawyer > saturated culture where people are suing other people over some idea you or > someone else produced? I can sense that a lot of people, especially in the > hacker and maker community, want to be able to support themselves and work > on cool new things but don't want to deny other people to work on the same > cool things. Why do ideas have to take on a life of their own and become > part of something you might be employed by, but have no control beyond > that? Sorry about the extreme language, but why do I imagine it as making > deal with the devil? Betraying your friends so you can enjoy life and eat? > In this, there is an underlying assumption that there are institutions that > do not want to share or partner, or make it very difficult. If it is > easier, I feel that could be better. > > Buckminster Fuller also wrote about such things: > > "2. Grandmother taught us the Golden Rule: "Love thy neighbor as thy > self--do unto others as you would they should do unto you. > > 3. As we became older and more experienced, out uncles began to caution us > to get over our sensitivity. "Life is hard," they explained. 'There is > nowhere nearly enough life support for everybody on our planet, let alone > enough for a comfortable life support. If you want to raise a family and > have a comfortable life for them, you are going to have to deprive many > others of the opportunity to survive and the sooner, the better. Your > grandmother's Golden Rule is beautiful, but it doesn't work.'" p. 123. > Critical Path, R. Buckminster Fuller > > Is it possible to have a win-win between people an business? Are there any > financial barriers to entry and/or partnership? Sometimes I fear that I > will never be paid enough to implement my ideas, or if I do then it will be > too late to enter the market. Either I can't afford to do the work, or > someone who developed and patented something that matches at least some of > my idea decides not to involve me. Thus I would question spending the time > developing my idea. I'm assuming I can develop my idea for my own personal > use (possibly not?). However, I am more certain I may have trouble sharing > and selling things developed from my ideas. I imagine that this favors > those who already have money. > > People like Eric von Hippel and Michael Bauwens both speak about a lot of > innovation goinf on outside the firm. For example Michel Bauwen's states: > > "The French-Italian school of 'cognitive capitalism' stresses the value > creation today is no longer confined to the enterprise, but beholden to the > mass intellectuality of > knowledge workers, who through their lifelong learning/experiencing and > systematic connectivity, constantly innovate within and without the > enterprise. This is an important > argument, since it would justify what we see as the only solution for the > expansion of the P2P sphere into a society at large: the universal basic > income. Only the > independence of work and the salary structure can guarantee the peer > producers can continue to create this sphere of highly productive use > value." > The Political Economy of Peer Production ( > www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=499) > > Eric von Hippel also speaks about his book. ( > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20060123-Eric.von.Hippel-Democratizing.Innovation.ogg > ) > > However, giving people money for doing nothing makes me feel > uncomfortable. Of course, as Heinz Dietrich suggests, if you already have > money, things work just fine: > "The first step, in fact, would be to establish a new cybernetic > principle; you need something that coordinates billions of economic > transactions everyday. And, so far, the market has been a relatively > well-functioning system under two conditions: If the market is not > monopolistic and you have the buying power for the merchandise you produce > and for the services, then the market coordinates quite well."-- The > Socialism of the 21st Century ( > http://eipcp.net/transversal/0805/dieterich/en) > > Paul Cockshott, and Allin Cottrell suggest a payment system determined > democratically, "The payment system outlined in chapter 2 depends on the > idea that the total labour content of each product or service can be > calculated." p. 8, Towards a New Socialism > > If this is by the state, then I am moved to say I do not trust the > government to do much right at all. Certainly, this is what I feel if I > spend any length of time watching the news. But I would like to look into > it. If this develops into something, the state should be involved at some > level. I feel bad about this. I'll have to read more. > However, I agree that with more democracy things would be better. > > "The principal bases for a post-Soviet socialism must be radical democracy > and efficient planning. The democratic element, it is now clear, is not a > luxury, > or something that can be postponed until conditions are especially > favourable. Without democracy, as we have argued above, the leaders of a > socialist society > will be driven to coercion in order to ensure the production of a surplus > product, and if coercion slackens the system will tend to stagnate." p. 7, > Towards a New Socialism > > I definately think there needs to be some way to accomplish things that > makes it fair to people. In terms of me, I believe this underlies a larger > problem than me being connected with the right job or being afraid of debt > going back to school. It is the problem of connecting people with the right > jobs, > utilizing the skills they already have so they don't have to fear paying > to learn what they already know, and raising awareness that the jobs are > there. I dream about linked data being able to illuminate relationships > between present skills and related skills to job seekers and employers. I > also dream about linked data allowing people to market themselves with > clarity as a basket of skills that represents who they really are rather > than a basket of skills that was set by a well-meaning college, > trade-school, or university. I honestly believe that people who do > something they have a passion for, will be more effective employees or > entrepreneurs. > > But how to pay for it? If you take out debt you need to find a way to pay > it off. If you can't find something that reflects your values you may feel > like you're enslaved to something else while trying to pay it off. It can > be a pressing struggle as Paul Grignon's Money as Debt video on Youtube > describes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K5_JE_gOys). Paul Grigon and > others say that our present monetary system leads to infinite growth. > > "We need to become politically sensitive to the invisible architectures of > power. In distributed systems, where there is no overt hierarchy, power is > a function of design. One such system, perhaps the most important of all, > is the monetary system, whose interest-bearing design requires the market > to be linked to a system of infinite growth, and this link needs to be > broken. > A global reform of the monetary system, or the spread of new means of > direct social production of money, are the necessary conditions for such a > break." > (http://p2pfoundation.net/About_The_Foundation) > > I'd imagine this would create no problems for people as long as there is > the will and resources to grow infinitely. However, Paul Grigon points out > an exception: those with the money to lend at interest will eventually wind > up with all of the money, and due to forclosure the property too. > > My site explores distributed funding. ( > http://adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com/2012/03/distributed-funding.html). > I am still not sure how exactly to accomplish it. I think it may involve > something like Ripple (https://classic.ripplepay.com/) and PaySwarm ( > http://payswarm.com/). A friend of mine pointed out that it did not seem > that Ripple allows to keep track of what you owe who, whereas PaySwarm > appears to do so. I may need to develop something on my own ( > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments/2013Feb/0034.html) > that involes donations, and whatever models are needed. Embarrasingly, I'm > still learning JavaScript. Thankfully, my friends are also encouraging me > to focus on some small project. > > A few other thoughts: > > As I was reading, I noticed some mention of rival and non-rival goods. > Rival goods could be seen as raw materials or products, and non-rival goods > could exist in an infinite amount. In the > maker world I see things such as CAD files as non-rival and raw materials > and end products as rival. I question whether people would still pay for > rival goods, and perhaps donate for non-rival goods if there was an open > source economy? What if things such as PaySwarm made it easy to do so? > > The Rep Rap and Ardrino are open source hardware, and all products by > Makerbot used to be (http://josefprusa.cz/open-hardware-meaning/, > http://www.hoektronics.com/2012/09/21/makerbot-and-open-source-a-founder-perspective/). > People can share their designs, but would people share their profits with > those who contributed to their idea? It wouldn't have to be much, as small > amounts still add up. Would this be bad? Even if people don't have to pay, > things might still vary as does the amount you might get by selling a book? > Concieveably if you have a lot of open source hardware, then you could have > as much flexibility in the physical world as you do in the software world. > In an extreme case, maybe you could have open source spaceships. They are > after all lots of little parts, much like a GNU/Linux distro. > > If things could be freely copied and not exclusively owned as in the GPL, > would you still have brand loyalty? While not going into the fine details, > the Ultimaker and the Makerbot Thing-O-Matic look very similar. Why would I > want one over the other? If whatever you chose was linked to previous > innovations, and people let their donations flow to those authors, how much > would it matter? > > Would the crowd maintain accountability so people would not collect money > for doing nothing? The maker community seems to be supportive of things > that they are free to contribute to. How far could this go, especially with > support from arguments made by Don Tapscott and Anthony D. Williams in the > book Wikinomics? For the legality, things like the JOBs act seem exciting. > However, this seems to be for equity-based crowdfunding and not just > donations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JOBS_Act). I'd imagine that it > would be both even if some of the things were as described above. What if > you were retired, and you had money, but nothing you contributed was being > used? Could you grow your money to support yourself? > > The potential of digital technologies seems huge. I read about the > Industrial Internet, as pointed out by Milton Poson. The GE report titled, > "Industrial Internet. Pushing the Boundaries of Minds and Machines"< > www.ge.com/docs/chapters/Industrial_Internet.pdf>, by Peter C. Evans and > Marco Annunziata has the following quote: > > "The combination of physics- based approaches, deep sector specific domain > expertise, more automation of information flows, and predictive > capabilities can join with the existing > suite of “big data” tools. The result is the Industrial Internet > encompasses traditional approaches with newer hybrid approaches that can > leverage the power of both historic and > real-time data with industry specific advanced analytics." > > Of course, this makes me want to go down the path of Density Functional > Theory and Molecular Dynamics. I had a brief exposure to these concepts in > graduate school, and it reminds me of the layout algorithms in Gephi (at > least MD, I know a little less about DFT). Yes! I just learned about DBSCAN > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBSCAN) in R ( > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dq209/others/Rdatamining.pdf) and ELKI ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELKI). And here you have it, the original > DBSCAN paper > (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.121.9220). > > In addition, they speak about Enterprise Management Software in terms of > the Industrial Internet: > > "At the other end of the spectrum, enterprise management software and > solutions have been widely adopted to drive organizational efficiencies at > the firm level. The benefits > of these efforts include better tracking and coordination of labor, supply > chain, quality, compliance, and sales and distribution across broad > geographies and product lines. > However, these efforts have sometimes fallen short because while they can > passively track asset operations at the product level, the ability to > impact asset performance is limited. > Optimizing the system to maximize asset and enterprise performance is what > the Industrial Internet offers." > > This reminds me of a presentation given by Dr. Manoj Dharwadkar of Bentley > Systems Inc. titled, "Using Sematic Web Technologies in Open Applications" ( > http://www.w3.org/2008/12/ogws-slides/Bentley.pdf). It also reminds me of > the The Simantics Platform at the VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland ( > www.vtt.fi) and the mission of Dassault Systems (www.3ds.com). They all > have the ISO15926 ontology in common. > > I wasn't sure if they were talking about linked data in the report: > > "To make information intelligent, new connections need to be developed so > that Big Data ‘knows’ when and where it needs to go, and how to get there. > If imaging data is better > connected, the right doctor could automatically receive a patient’s > rendered images so the information is finding the doctor instead of the > doctor > finding the information. " --- Opportunity for Liked Data? > > random paper with medical devices communicating with the semantic web: > http://radiographics.rsna.org/content/30/7/2039.abstract > > http://www.mdpnp.org/uploads/8-3_Schluter_26Jan.pdf (devices > commmunicating, like Industrial Internet) > > Further, they go into what is needed to to build the Industrial Internet: > > "The Industrial Internet will require an adequate backbone. Data centers, > broadband spectrum, and fiber networks are all components of the ICT > infrastructure > that will need to be further developed to connect the various machines, > systems, and networks across industries and geographies. > This will require a combination of inter- and intra- state infrastructure > order to support the significant growth in data flows involved with the > Industrial Internet. > " > > I heard that Oklahoma, and the U.S. in general, needs more fiber. Someone > said that Denver, Dallas, Kansas City, Silicon Valley, Austin(?), all have > good networks. > > How would the talent to build the Industrial Internet be gathered? Here > are a few more quotes: > > "Other alternatives for sourcing cross-discipline talent might include > developing the existing resources in the native domain through > collaborative approaches. Instead > of building or buying talent that has multiple skills, create environments > that accelerate the ability of people with different skills to interact and > innovate together. > On a larger scale, approaches such as crowdsourcing might be able to close > some of the capabilities gaps that are sure to occur." > > "Today, the people that manage big data systems or perform advanced > analytics have developed unique talents through self-driven specialization, > rather than through > any programs that build a standard set of skills or principles. > Co-development of curriculum, integration of academic staff into industry, > and other approaches will be > needed to ensure that the talent needs of the Industrial Internet do not > outpace the educational system." > > There definately is a lag between the development of IT, and its adoption. > In Chemical Engineering, I'm pretty sure people thought I was crazy when I > started talking about the Semantic Web. People in network security, and > even computer science were not familiar with it. If you're talking about > Wikinomics (Openness, Peering, Sharing, Acting Global) thinking there might > be some growth to do. I heard of people at universities and hackerspaces > speak of themselves as universities, but their culture is very different. > Maybe hackerspaces are on the extreme of being open, whereas universities > are less so? Maybe this is the case with IP. Maybe less so, with papers > (but who can access them?). > See a presentation in 2008 by RIC Jackson, then Director of the FIATECH > Consortium: ( > http://www.slccc.net/documents_pdf/Technology-Ric%20Jackson%200811.pdf). > Adoption of new tech for the enterprise is slow: > ( > http://pandodaily.com/2012/02/11/why-oracle-may-really-be-doomed-this-time/ > ). > > There are some, such as the Mayor of Newark, NJ, who bothered to go to > SXSW to speak about the adoption of more tech: > ( > http://pandodaily.com/2013/03/10/cory-booker-calls-for-tech-empowered-open-democracy/ > ). > > Here are three more quotes from the report: > > "Measures to ensure the security of restricted data, including > intellectual property,proprietary information, and personally identifiable > information (PII) are critical. > " --- this reminds me of the Read Write Web Community Group > > "Currently there are several standards bodies, but they are fragmented. > The promotion and adoption of common and consistent standards on data > structure, encryption, > transfer mechanisms, and the proper use of data will go a long way in > advancing cyber security." > > I was made fun of by a CS graduate when I was excited about a possible new > standard. > > "Academia: Further research on data security and privacy should be > pursued, including research on enhancing IT security, metrology, > inferencing concerns with non- > sensitive data, and legal foundations for privacy in data aggregation." > > Perhaps more collaboration with the hacker community? Is it true that some > programmers, and some in CS tend to build things and ignore security in the > process? I wonder what is going on at hacker conferences like Blackhat and > DEFCON. BTW, people at the Chaos Communication Congress are geniuses. > > Whew! That's enough. If you're interested in more, read the report. It's > exciting. :) > > I asked myself this question: What is the future role of the University? > > The university may serve as a repository for books, a place to do > research, and a meeting place. Lectures? I'm not sure. > > How do the things that Michael Hammer & Lisa W. Hershman talk about fit in? > > They wrote a book titled, "Faster, Cheaper, Better: The 9 Levers for > Transforming How Work Gets Done". > I believe they were talking about Business Process Improvement ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_process_improvement). Would > Process Owners, as mentioned by them, serve a major role in the Industrial > Internet? (http://it.toolbox.com/wiki/index.php/Process_Owner) > > ---------------- > > Resources that I am considering reading: > > The Net Delusion: The Dark Side of Internet Freedom, Evengy Morozov, 2011 > > To Save Everything, Click Here: The Folly of Technological Solutionism, > Evengy Morozov, 2013 > > The Wealth of Networks, Yochai Benkler, Yale University Press, 2006 > > Science and the Crisis in Society, Frank H. George, Wiley, 1970 > > Future Perfect: The Case for Progress in a Networked Age, Steven Johnson, > 2012 > > Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organization Without Organizations, > Clay Shirky, 2008 > > Nasa's Advanced Automation for Space Missions, > http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/ (Robots, Expert Systems, Etc..), The > Technical Stuff, 1980 > > The Future: Six Drivers of Global Change, Al Gore, 2013, > http://www.amazon.com/The-Future-Drivers-Global-Change/dp/0812992946, > Reviewed by Tim Berners-Lee, may relate well to the previous link > > An Inquiry to Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, Adam > Smith, LL.D. F.R.S., MDCCCXLIII (1843) (according to Wikipedia, it was > first published in 1776) > > Books by Chris Anderson and Lawrence Lessig > > Consent of the Networked: The Worldwide Struggle for Internet Freedom, > Rebecca MacKinnon, 2012 > > Business Process Improvement: the breakthrough strategy for total quality, > productivity, and competitiveness, H J Harrington , 1991 > > Faster, better, cheaper : low-cost innovation in the U.S. space program, > Howard E McCurdy, 2001 > > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>wrote: > > it seems to me that these shifts have already started, before 2013, > including in these fields, but are also much more long-term transformations > ... in the case of deep-pocketed and politically powerful vested interests, > only moderate bottom-up advances can be expected in the very short term ... > > both telecom and banking are still heavily centralized, they enabled > people-based p2p dynamics but control the infrastructure, the data, the > design and many other aspects of their only partly distributed systems ... > > I'm sure the same is true of GE .. no corporation will allow a fully p2p > distributed system without some form of centralized control > > Michel > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:54 AM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program < > metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote: > > 2013 will see the advent of new paradigms for infrastructures that up > until now where centralized, i.e. electric power generation and > distribution, intermodal transportation and logistics, food and > agro-industrial production and distribution, industrial production and > distribution, consumer products manufacturing and distribution, > pharmaceuticals production and distribution, energy extraction and > distribution (including coal, gas, shale oil/gas and biofuels). > > The data and telecom infrastructure and parallel the banking and financial > sectors are the only ones espousing decentralized distributed P2P (and B2B) > processes. > > Resilience is a property that can only be achieved by copying the > structure of the internet and some of its inherent characteristics. > > By defining strategic infrastructures as decentralized networks of > distributed P2P (B2B) processes embedded in an intelligent grid it becomes > possible to define resilience in a way similar to the resilience of the > Internet. > > And a resilient grid lends itself perfectly to embedding in a semantic web > overlay grid. > > The Industrial Internet as defined by GE and outlined in a recent white > paper comes pretty close to it but not quite yet. > > See http://www.gereports.com/meeting-of-minds-and-machines/. > > Milton Ponson > GSM: +297 747 8280 > PO Box 1154, Oranjestad > Aruba, Dutch Caribbean > Project Paradigm: A structured approach to bringing the tools for > sustainable development to all stakeholders worldwide by creating ICT > tools for NGOs worldwide and: providing online access to web sites and > repositories of data and information for sustainable development > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. > This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the > individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> > *To:* ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com> > *Cc:* Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>; Samuel Rose < > samuel.rose@gmail.com>; "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>; Paul > Cockshott <william.cockshott@glasgow.ac.uk> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 9, 2013 2:10 AM > > *Subject:* Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data > > Oh well, I'll share my story on a W3C forum no less. > > Model, true. Would my experiences even translate? I think you'd have to > see this from my own personal perspective. Even though I grew up in an > American home there was a lot of discourse in my family. There wasn't a lot > of room for personal expression, and my family was very religious so I was > afraid of offending God if I went against the dominating figure and/or > ideology in the family. I was also very shy growing up, and I did not have > much money, even though I came from an upper middle class family. I felt > out of place most of the time, and sometimes I had ideas that people did > not seem to understand or be interested in. I liked computers, and wanted > to learn more about them. I was always asking people doing computer stuff > how to program, even though I had a lot of trouble doing it myself. I think > it was because I struggled with algebra (and other maths), but more so > algebra. I also was a bit lost in some documentation, and may have not been > fully aware of other resources that may have helped. I was afraid of > tinkering, but I built webpages and was proud of them and I also built > structures in the woods (but that is a bit off topic). My family paid for > my college. I'm thankful for that, but it also leaves me with a feeling of > responsibility to them. I'll admit to not being in sync with things in my > undergraduate years. It looks very good if you have an internship. But at > the time I made a few mistakes perhaps. I was a bit afraid to try because > the companies I qualified for either were not doing something that > interested me and/or something that I felt reflected my beliefs, values and > possibly something else that is hard to describe. In short, perhaps > passion. Over time I realized that it would probably be wiser to accept > things as is if I ever hoped to be employed. Making the sale was difficult > though. I think perhaps people think I'm lazy, or uniformed, because I did > not work (except for academic things) in college. Or was it emotion? Ideas > out of place? I was also affected by many of the same family things growing > up. > > I have an interest in physics, electronics, economics, systems, etc. I > think that if I ever hope to use my education, and share what I have > learned, I need to do something amazing. I could go back to school, take on > a lot of debt, and just hope that I get enough good grades to impress > enough people (and not have them think I'd get bored when trying to get a > job). Or I could learn things on my own, participate in projects, and hope > that people receive me with open arms. > > Since 2007 when I discovered Polywell nuclear fusion I've gained new > perspective on the world. I never actually built a fusion reactor, but I > did try to learn what was behind them. This motivated me to read lots of > books, and my desire to do other things to explore my uniqueness as an > individual led to even more books. GNU/Linux facilitated my graduate work, > and I can relate to it's philosophy through my many frustrations. Open > source is great, because I don't have to worry so much about my skills > wasting away. Being at the university also helps. I also don't have to > manufacture things or do anything special to have excitement about it. > > But you know, how much can you actually get from someone who hasn't > experienced that much real employment? Because of that automatically people > see me in a certain way. And my views may not be necessarily realistic for > lack of experience. But whatever it is, it seems I have have found a lot of > energy and my friends seem to notice. I think about what I am learning more > too. > > But would this model help people in the real world? I feel that had it > existed it could have helped me growing up, but that is my own personal > experience. In addition to studying, a lot of my peers spent their time > drinking beer, socializing, and playing and/or watching sports. And most > seemed to have more money. Now most seem to have even more money, and spend > time on Facebook talking about things they have bought or families that > they are raising. Their educational level is hard to discern. Not many seem > to be posting things about hacking, making or things that might suggest > deep insight. But not everyone fits that. > > I guess what matters is whether it will work or not, and whether it truly > will benefit others. For that both an experiment and conversation will > help. Thank you Samuel for referring me to Michael. Milton, I am not > certain what it will do yet. > > I am not certain what resilience truly means. I'm definitely bothered by > the wastefulness brought upon by obsolescence of products. It would be much > better I think if we knew how they worked so we could reuse the them (I'm > saying the parts) in other things. We've had this problem at the > hackerspace. We have lots of stuff around that if we had the blueprint, it > would be much better. If we knew how this blueprint connected to other > things I personally think that would be even better. > > On a separate issue. In graduate school there were people there that > seemed really lost. I mean they were doing their work, but didn't seem to > have a joy about it. There also was not a lot of organization, and it was > hard to find things. > > Outside of school, there are people that I know could go to graduate > school but didn't. It was frustrating to me that I could not seem to sell > them on thinking more deeply about things, or when they said I was really > smart (but did not have the confidence or belief that they could do it > themselves). Still others just weren't there. I've seen those who weren't > there at the hackerspace. I question why, and think the world would be a > better place if this could be tapped into. > > " > Roberto Verzola is to my mind the political economist who has done most in > studying this, see http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Commons_Economics ; > Wolfgang Hoeschele is planning an ambitious database based on a Needs, > Organisational REsources, (I forgot what the A stands for) > > > I'm sure that the proposed modelling effort will contribute to this > field; if you are ideologically open, you may also want to talk with people > like Paul Cockshott and the people of the Center for Transition Science at > UNAM in Mexico City; who are very good at econometric modelling and > interested in a cybernetic planning revival, " > > I still have to think more about this. I was reading over it a bit today. > > I might have seen something about this today. Someone was talking about > how technologies were allowing us (or could? ) to become more mobile, and > that people really didn't have to be co located. I don't remember what > technologies that they were referring. > > "Peer to peer processes in addition should be defined as geography > independent, historically nomads, hunter gatherers and technomads in the > modern age all show this to be true." > > I hope to write soon. > > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com > > wrote: > > I'm feeling that this is shaped by my own personal experience? I'm > willing, but should I risk putting it out there? > > > > > > > > -- > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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