- From: Daniel Schwabe <dschwabe@inf.puc-rio.br>
- Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:52:27 -0300
- To: Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>
- Cc: Andrea Splendiani <andrea.splendiani@iscb.org>, Bo Ferri <zazi@smiy.org>, "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>
On Apr 27, 2013, at 12:25 - 27/04/13, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: > How about not caring how long the article is? I mean why not have guidelines like "papers should be about 6 pages/3000 words, but do what you want. If it's long-winded, expect to get screwed at review". > > I just spent an hour this week removing "last-accessed: 01-01-2012" data from my reference list, so I could get inside a page limit. Why? The data is (slightly) valuable, so why remove it? Page limit is a tree-ware hangover. I blame the conference organisers. Surprisingly, this is actually not true. In a couple of conferences where I was the PC Chair (including ISWC), I suggested precisely this, and the OVERWHELMING reaction was that people preferred page limits (and not too big either). The rationale was that it would then become "unfair" because some people would submit shorter papers than others, and possibly be at a disadvantage. It would eventually lead to a "race" with people submitting longer and longer papers, in the hopes of maximizing their chances of acceptance, and put an impossible burden on reviewers. Perhaps this may make sense for journal publications, but it's not such an obvious conclusion as it may look at first sight. > > As for CEUR, well, try asking them. I mean, an archive site, on the web, can't cope with HTML? If that fails, let's put our papers on archive.org which will archive this sort of stuff. > Or arxiv which will take HTML. > I have nothing against being able to read a paper as HTML. However, to be frank, the vast majority of papers is written linearly, and do not exploit the hypertext nature of the Web. Of course, there are many advantages in being able to add meta-data, but to me this is a separate issue. Furthermore, authoring real hypertext is hard, and we really don't know how to do this properly (if there is a "proper" way...). So the use of links would be relatively poor, mostly for cross-references. In fact, for this type of paper, I'd much prefer reading it offline on paper, as PDF on my iPad/Kindle, even if I keep an electronic copy on my computer. The most useful feature I've found when reading on a tablet is being able to zoom in and out, and eventually being able to follow a link. So I would not adopt any solution that doesn't give me equivalent options. From an authoring point of view, I don't want to have any more work than I already have in dealing with current tools. At IW3C2, a while back, we tried to make XHMTL as option for submission, and if I recall correctly we only got less than 10 submissions out of over a 1000. Once more, I'm highly skeptical that simply offering an authoring HDML environment, however friendly it is, will be enough to make people move over to it. I have not played with Authorea yet, but it looks interesting. Cheers D > > > > ________________________________________ > From: Andrea Splendiani [andrea.splendiani@iscb.org] > Sent: 27 April 2013 15:41 > To: Phillip Lord > Cc: Bo Ferri; public-lod@w3.org > Subject: Re: Publication of scientific research > > Hi, > > we could switch from asking for a given page number to some word-count range (perhaps with an estimate for words and figures). With a bit of template + css, even publication should be ok. > The main issue I can see in stopping asking for pdf is that, if you then want proceedings in, say, ceur, you need pdfs. Although they are not strict about the format so we could go there from html. > Other than this, we could indeed already start asking for different formats. > > best, > Andrea > > Il giorno 27/apr/2013, alle ore 13:56, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk> ha scritto: > >> My colleague, Allyson Lister managed to post here entire thesis onto a commodity wordpress. >> >> http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/phd-thesis-table-of-contents/ >> >> So, it is possible, even if it is rather unwieldy at the moment. In this case, she used latextowordpress >> which in turn uses plastex. Tex always presents the problem that the only thing that can sanely >> turn tex into output is tex. If you need proof of this, look up David Carlisles xii.tex. >> >> I'm hoping that luatex is finally going to crack this open, because it really needs to go there. >> >> The key point is the Ally tried, and from this we learnt. My own feeling is that a very simple step >> would be for conferences to stop requiring PDF. I'm happy with a number of tool chains for writing >> content; currently, though, when faced with "use exactly this guidelines with exactly this number >> of page" directives, there is not alternative but tex (for me). >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Bo Ferri [zazi@smiy.org] >> Sent: 27 April 2013 13:33 >> To: public-lod@w3.org >> Subject: Re: Publication of scientific research >> >> Hi all, >> >> generally, it is really interesting to follow this discussion. I've >> never been a friend of the cumbersome scientific research publishing way >> (that's why there are no real scientific publications available from >> myself - except the two theses that I wrote during my studies ;) ). So >> I'm really looking forward to a more webby for doing this since ages. >> When I wrote my final thesis in 2010/11 - I tried to publish as many >> content (section excerpts, slides, ontologies, code, ... e.g. [3, 4, 5]) >> on the web from my theses as I could. For a starting point Wordpress and >> Drupal are your friends (as Ivan already suggested). With semantic >> annotation plugins á la RDFaCE [1] one could go even a step further. >> Other plugins such as Angelo's Wordpress extension [2] can deliver the >> metadata. >> However, finally I wrote the thesis itself in LaTeX and published (also >> on the Web, e.g., Mendeley or ResearchGate) as PDF, because I never >> found a good LaTeX to HTML converter that could handle my latex document >> in a satisfiable way. Fortunately, Authorea is exactly trying to do this >> for me. So I'll give it try with my theses (with so many web references >> inside ;) ) and let you know whether it is really able to handle a "real >> world" LaTeX document. >> At the end tools such as Authorea are the perfect bridge for the way we >> are trying to go now by bringing scientific research publishing to the >> present. >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Bo >> >> >> [1] http://rdface.aksw.org/ >> [2] https://github.com/angelo-v/wp-linked-data >> [3] http://smiy.org >> [4] http://purl.org/smiy/ >> [5] http://zazi.smiy.org/slides/pmkb-defence/pmkb.html >> >> On 4/25/2013 8:21 AM, Herbert Van de Sompel wrote: >>> >>> There is evolution in this realm too, see e.g. https://www.authorea.com/ >>> >>> Greetings >>> >>> Herbert >> >> >> > > Daniel Schwabe Dept. de Informatica, PUC-Rio Tel:+55-21-3527 1500 r. 4356 R. M. de S. Vicente, 225 Fax: +55-21-3527 1530 Rio de Janeiro, RJ 22453-900, Brasil http://www.inf.puc-rio.br/~dschwabe
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