- From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:14:02 -0700 (PDT)
- To: Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>, John Erickson <olyerickson@gmail.com>
- Cc: public-lod <public-lod@w3.org>, semantic-web <semantic-web@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <1339517642.56563.YahooMailNeo@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
http://www.rustprivacy.org/compound_docs.zip has some syntactically correct code. Zotero <http://www.zotero.org/> outputs RDF, with some non-standard modifications (last I looked). Overall, some component has to look a little like magic and meta data should not be it (my personal preference). ________________________________ From: Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> To: John Erickson <olyerickson@gmail.com> Cc: public-lod <public-lod@w3.org>; semantic-web <semantic-web@w3.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: Re: best practice RDF in HTML Dear John, I am not quite sure I understand your intention. Am I supposed to embed a Microdata "island", which I then convert to RDF via the JSON intermediate? There is no official JSON format, so embedding JSON would still be kind of a work around. It would be perfect, if there was a more direct solution. Including the RDF "island" as Turtle/N3 in the <script> part seems to be legit (Although a little bit unconventional). Is it possible to make an RDFa "island" somewhere? Where would I dump that? Within the <head> or <body>? or parallel? All the best, Sebastian On 06/12/2012 05:19 PM, John Erickson wrote: > If I understand correctly, the problem is to embed an RDF "island" in > an HTML document, to be managed by a (presumably RDF clueless) CMS. > > How about following the approach described in the W3C "Microdata to > RDF: Transformation from HTML+Microdata to RDF" working draft > <http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-microdata-rdf-20120112/> > > There are a number of examples in that draft which seem compatible > with the problem statement, including embedded JSON (that can be > easily extracted and consumed as RDF) > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Gannon Dick<gannon_dick@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hello Sebastian, >> >> You are making me nostalgic for a dispute I lost by shout-down with with the >> developers of RDFa :o) >> >> Oops. Mr Erickson just beat me to the punch ... the critical point is that >> HTML has two bowls of tag soup (HEAD, BODY) related by proximity not by >> authority. It's easy to assume that the HEAD is "global" to the BODY or >> vice-versa. What you really want to do is cite a bibliographic reference to >> a set of RDF triples. >> >> You can link to that file, or if you want to get fancy, embed an XML >> Bibliographic Reference format like MODS from the LoC[1]. Embedding in the >> BODY is more polite, and reassuring if questions arise about download size. >> >> --Gannon >> >> [1] Sorry, I have not looked at this in years so there will be some syntax >> issues. The idea is simple, MathML for people who do math, MODS for people >> who keep track of written stuff. >> http://www.rustprivacy.org/FunForLibrarians.pdf >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: John Erickson<olyerickson@gmail.com> >> To: Sebastian Hellmann<hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> >> Cc: public-lod<public-lod@w3.org>; semantic-web<semantic-web@w3.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:32 AM >> Subject: Re: best practice RDF in HTML >> >> Sebastian, is the requirement that the RDF not be *integrated* with >> the content of the page --- in other words, you just want to embed a >> "dump" of some RDF? >> >> Why not link to a RDF or TTL file? >> >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Sebastian Hellmann >> <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote: >>> Dear list, >>> What are the best practice to include a set of RDF triples in HTML. >>> *Please note*: I am not looking for the RDFa way to include triples. I >>> just >>> want to add a set of triples somewhere in an HTML document. They are not >>> supposed to show up like "Wikinomics", "Don Tapscott" in the following >>> example: >>> >>> <div xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" >>> about="http://www.example.com/books/wikinomics"> >>> <span property="dc:title">Wikinomics</span> >>> <span property="dc:creator">Don Tapscott</span> >>> <span property="dc:date">2006-10-01</span> >>> </div> >>> >>> I don't want to use the strings in the HTML document as objects in the >>> triples. My use case is that I just have a large set of triples, e.g. 1000 >>> that I want to include as a bulk somewhere and ship along with the html. >>> Which way is the best? Do the examples below work? >>> All the best, >>> Sebastian >>> >>> ******************************************* >>> Include in head >>> ****************************************** >>> <html> >>> <head> >>> <script type="application/rdf+xml"> >>> <rdf:RDF >>> xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" >>> xmlns:cd="http://www.recshop.fake/cd#"> >>> >>> <rdf:Description >>> rdf:about="http://www.recshop.fake/cd/Empire Burlesque"> >>> <cd:artist>Bob Dylan</cd:artist> >>> <cd:dbpedia rdf:resource="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Empire_Burlesque"> >>> </rdf:Description> >>> </rdf:RDF> >>> </script> >>> </head> >>> <body> >>> </body> >>> </html> >>> ****************************** >>> attach after html >>> ***************************** >>> <html> >>> <head> >>> </head> >>> <body> >>> </body> >>> </html> >>> <rdf:RDF >>> xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" >>> xmlns:cd="http://www.recshop.fake/cd#"> >>> >>> <rdf:Description >>> rdf:about="http://www.recshop.fake/cd/Empire Burlesque"> >>> <cd:artist>Bob Dylan</cd:artist> >>> <cd:dbpedia rdf:resource="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Empire_Burlesque"> >>> </rdf:Description> >>> </rdf:RDF> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann >>> Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig >>> Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://dbpedia.org >>> Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann >>> Research Group: http://aksw.org >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> John S. Erickson, Ph.D. >> Director, Web Science Operations >> Tetherless World Constellation (RPI) >> <http://tw.rpi.edu> <olyerickson@gmail.com> >> Twitter& Skype: olyerickson >> >> >> > > -- Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://dbpedia.org Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann Research Group: http://aksw.org
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