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Re: Address Bar URI

From: Nathan <nathan@webr3.org>
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:52:01 +0100
Message-ID: <4E9FFD51.3070405@webr3.org>
To: Michael Smethurst <michael.smethurst@bbc.co.uk>
CC: Dave Reynolds <dave.e.reynolds@gmail.com>, Linking Open Data <public-lod@w3.org>
Michael Smethurst wrote:
> 
> 
> On 20/10/2011 01:18, "Nathan" <nathan@webr3.org> wrote:
> 
>> Dave Reynolds wrote:
>>> The problem, as I see it, is that developers start from the NIR but then
>>> use web browsers to find their way round the data and then cut paste the
>>> browser locations they find, thus ending up with IRs where they should
>>> have had NIRs. 
>> Agree, you put that very nicely Dave.
>>
>> Perhaps Michael nailed it when he mentioned separation of concerns, one
>> could suggest that this is what happens when the data-tier has knowledge
>> of the presentation-tier (i.e. punting the user to a view of the data,
>> rather than the data directly). That itself is quite possibly the
>> product of using a web browser as a data browser.
>>
>> I think it's fair to say that nothing is going to clean up the mess, so
>> perhaps it's just a case of looking at tooling to sanity check our data.
>>
>> Hugh's javascript would make a fine bookmarklet, click it and it changes
>> the URI in the "address bar" to the NIR URI rather than the IR URI
>> (assuming a 1-1 relation that is).
> 
> <semi-serious-suggestion>
> 
> Whilst I'm failing to lurk as well as:
> <link rel="alernate" href="/programmes/:programme.rdf"/>
> 
> is there room for:
> <link rel="ting" href="/programmes/:programme#programme"/>
> 
> to expose the nir uri? Maybe with a bookmarklet / greasemonkey style script
> to pull out the nir uri and display it to anyone interested. Maybe even
> using replaceState on the address bar :-)
> 
> Maybe this already exists
> </semi-serious-suggestion>

:) sounds like <link rel="foaf:primaryTopic"... to me! (or Link matching 
header) - a Bookmarklet/greasemonkey script should be pretty easy to 
make to do this.

best,

>> Further, surely it must be possible to create a tool which quickly
>> sanity checked triples, almost like a semantic web version of Google's
>> "did you mean?"
>>
>> If you write:
>>
>>   fbase:Italy owl:sameAs <http://dbpedia.org/page/Italy> .
>>
>> Then any number of checks could be made, for example that the class of
>> Country is distinct from the class of Document, perhaps even hooking in
>> on the primaryTopic relation.
>>
>> It's clear after all these years that people will publish data however
>> they want, guidance will be ignored, and that humans make mistakes - so
>> perhaps we should be relying on machine understanding of our data, to
>> correct our very human mistakes. Wherever possible that is :)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Nathan
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