Re: Address Bar URI

On 10/19/11 6:50 PM, Tom Scott wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2011, at 15:42, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@openlinksw.com>  wrote:
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>> On 10/19/11 10:14 AM, David Wood wrote:
>>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 10:02, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
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>>>> On 10/19/11 8:49 AM, Paul Wilton wrote:
>>>>> what is this IE6 that you talk about ?
>>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>> Internet Explorer 6. The browser that still dominates market share across WWW end-users :-)
>>> ...with less than 5% market share as of last March [1].  Also, most of those reported instances of IE6 usage may be due to the AVG Linkscanner bot, which uses an IE6 ID string [2].
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>>> I know IE6 has been a thorn in our sides for years, but maybe it is time to let it go.
>> We don't believe is forcing issues on end-users by disrupting them via actions such as: implementing a Linked Data URI style for something like DBpedia that works modulo IE 6. Yes, the market share of IE is decreasing (thank heavens!) but we still have a live usecase that showcases why slash style of URIs are important and useful.
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>> Kingsley
Tom,

> Whatever the usage of IE6 in the general web population  I can't
> believe that's reflective of dbpedia users.
How can you make such a statement about the profile of World Wide Web users?

Again, do remember, DBpedia came to life at a point in time where the 
fundamental goal was to showcase the virtues of Linked Data without any 
distractions. That naturally implied, delivering a solution that just 
worked. That means, any Web browser, period.

The goal was achieved and DBpedia is a resounding success i.e., Linked 
Data became a pragmatic demonstration of the Semantic Web vision.

> If it is then that might be the best indication of widespread LOD
> adoption and we all should therefore re-read Michael's comments.

DBpedia is about showcasing a new Web dimension modulo disruption to 
existing WWW users. There is no other effective way to achieve the 
aforementioned goal. That's why seeking revocation httpRange-14 will 
never happen. The only think wrong (IMHO) with httpRange-14 is its 
choice of esoteric language and anecdotes. That's it.

> (meanwhile I'm going to check why my dad uses dbpedia and garner his
> feedback on the http-range-14 issue since he's the only person I know
> that uses IE6).

What happens if he was using IE 6 happily, and during one of your visits 
to opt to demonstrate how DBpedia provides an alternative way to exploit 
Wikipedia? Would you tell him to install another browser prior to giving 
him the demonstration?

Many in this community might have contempt for IE 6, but that doesn't 
negate real world reality.

DBpedia is a great example of how you introduce new technology with 
minimum disruption to end-users.

Kingsley
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>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
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>>> [1] http://www.sitepoint.com/ie6-usage-below-5-percent-browser-trends/
>>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Overestimation
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>>>> Kingsley
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Kingsley Idehen<kidehen@openlinksw.com>    wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/18/11 1:49 PM, Jonathan Rees wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be difficult, I just really don't get what you're
>>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   I believe the your quests was about a case for 303's. Which is
>>>>>>>>> basically
>>>>>>>>>   another way of seeking a case for slash terminated URIs re. Linked
>>>>>>>>> Data
>>>>>>>>>   deployment.
>>>>>>> Not exactly - I'm trying to build a case against hash URIs.
>>>>>> A case against hash URIs is that your deployment won't play well with IE 6.
>>>>>> The problem with IE 6 is that it sends # over the wire. Other browsers
>>>>>> don't. Thus, you (the publisher) has extra work on your hands should you
>>>>>> want your Linked Data deployment to cater to IE 6 users. This is why DBpedia
>>>>>> opted to use slash URIs since that meant a single set of re-write rules
>>>>>> without any exception oriented heuristics for IE 6 user agents.
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>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kingsley Idehen
>>>>>> President&      CEO
>>>>>> OpenLink Software
>>>>>> Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>>>>>> Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>>>>>> Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
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>>>> Regards,
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>>>> Kingsley Idehen
>>>> President&    CEO
>>>> OpenLink Software
>>>> Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>>>> Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>>>> Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
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>> Regards,
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>> Kingsley Idehen
>> President&   CEO
>> OpenLink Software
>> Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>> Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>> Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
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Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	
President&  CEO
OpenLink Software
Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen