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Re: A URI(Web ID) for the semantic web community as a foaf:Group

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:55:21 -0400
Message-ID: <4BACE6F9.402@openlinksw.com>
To: "KangHao Lu (Kenny)" <kennyluck@csail.mit.edu>
CC: ML public-lod <public-lod@w3.org>, Tom Heath <tom.heath@talis.com>
KangHao Lu (Kenny) wrote:
> On 2010/03/27, at 0:27, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> Kenny,
>> This URI is inaccurate re. DBpedia developers:
>> <http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/is-group/page/projects/Project13>
>> To be precise:
>> <http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/is-group/page/projects/Project13> is 
>> one of the teams that works on extraction and transformation of 
>> Wikipedia content into RDF.
> Oops, my mistake, it should be 
> <http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/is-group/resource/projects/Project13> 
> , which is a doap:Project with information of developers, programming 
> languages, and software information like that (or maybe it means a 
> previous try on RDFizing wikipedia?). It certainly isn't 
> <http://dbpedia.org/resoucr/DBPedia> if the latter means something 
> conceptually broader. (Or you might want to make owl:sameAs link to 
> two projects, I don't like this idea, though).
I am not saying it should be: <http://dbpedia.org/resoucr/DBPedia>, I 
juxtaposed the two URIs to show how DBpedia continues to be loosely 

DBpedia != DBpedia Extraction Team.

I am referring to accurate portrayal of a very significant project re. 
LOD and the resulting Web of Linked Data.

>>> So, for things to work. I would just recommend to place a N3 file at 
>>> http://linkeddata.org/data . It can be maintained manually by Tom or 
>>> we can have a very simple form for updating WebIDs of SWIG people.
>> Hmm, there once was an instance of Virtuoso+ODS at: 
>> <http://community.linkeddata.org/ods> that actually gave all members 
>> of LOD a URI.
> The point is we don't want machine generated URIs (sorry I can't see 
> what's inside <http://community.linkeddata.org/ods> cause it's down 
> for the moment). We should have triples like
> <http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> foaf:member 
> <http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i>.
> <http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> foaf:member 
> <http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card#me> .
> <http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> foaf:member 
> <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I> .
> <http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> 
> foaf:member<http://kidehen.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this> . 
> that is, URIs of different domains in the proposed file already, 
> without asking these people to make the updates (this makes things 
> easier, you know, for example, timbl would be too busy to even make 
> such a little update). The rest depends on what's inside the FOAFs 
> (bblfish, you ought to make DOAP for your projects and add links from 
> yourself to those projects!!) We can use machine generated URIs, but 
> we need to manually maintain those owl:sameAs mappings anyway.
>> All you have to do is walk through the LOD mail archives to see how 
>> it came to an end. Tom Heath didn't want it there, and as far as I 
>> was concerned, I simply wasn't interested in grappling with him; its 
>> his domain (bottom line) and he has the right to do whatever with it 
>> (my last comments in an old mail thread about this matter).
> I suppose you meant 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2008Apr/0116.html ? 
> Could you give me another pointer if I am wrong?
> I guess Tom was simply unwilling to set up a system as huge as ODS. My 
> proposal only requires a little space for plain-text N3. Anyway, I 
> want to ask "what SWIG people are doing?" as fast as possible, so I 
> prefer a simple approach. 
> I could place this file in the domain of my organization, or we can 
> ask W3C people to make such a little file. The choice of 
> linkeddata.org is because it somehow represents our community, since 
> it's the first hit. 
>> Dog-fooding is what I sought, but I can only assume, my objectives 
>> where totally unclear.
>> There is a strange irony that continues to play out with this thing 
>> called the World Wide Web, it doesn't have an eraser, but we continue 
>> to act as though it does or we can't be bothered to lookup the past 
>> (even via Google) etc..
> It was a real pain to find the above link. Well, text search is like 
> that, very silly. I would be very happy if I have to chance to SIOCize 
> W3C mailing lists and make a SPARQL endpoint for that.
> Also, when something is brought up again and again, that usually means 
> the importance of such thing.
> Kenny



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