- From: Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 19:30:29 +0000
- To: "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>
Many thanks for all the stimulating response to brighten up this dreary Saturday and help me to avoid the things I really have to do. A digest of some of my further responses (so it is easy to ignore me all at once if you want!): On 07/02/2009 15:02, "Andraz Tori" <andraz@zemanta.com> wrote: > Hi Hugh, Hi. > > I think you are mixing two completely different goals. > > Why can't one set of people provide the data while the other set of > people provide search technologies over that data? They could, but I don't see it happening. SEP ( http://dbpedia.org/resource/Somebody_Else%27s_Problem ) seems to apply strongly here. > > It takes two completely different technologies, processes, etc. > > BTW: an easy way to search is also to write meaningful sentence or > paragraph (using the phrase/entity/concept) and put it into Zemanta or > Calais. You will usually get properly disambiguated URIs back. I have tried to find URIs for Tim_Berners-Lee (and Semantic Web and Reuters) at http://www.opencalais.com/ but failed - am I looking at the wrong URI? - it is the one given in the esw web page. Could you talk me through the process? And I can't even find anywhere to "put it into Zemanta". I tried the demo page, even though that was not the obvious place to go, but it still didn't lead me to a tbl URI as far as I can tell. Again, can you walk me through the process you mean please? > > bye Best > andraz > On 07/02/2009 15:18, "Yves Raimond" <yves.raimond@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello! Hello! > > Just typing "telemann musicbrainz" in Google led me directly to: > http://musicbrainz.org/artist/8f831f50-e409-47c3-8598-71a61bc8cfb3 > I don't consider that as particularly hard! Sorry, I should have been clearer - I found the Musicbrainz page - I just can't find a Linked Data URI on it. > On a side-note, there are at least three interlinkage systems I know > of (Georgi's, LinkedMDB's and mine). Most dataset provide a SPARQL > end-point allowing to make such specific-dataset-to-specific dataset > linkage easy enough. Having a SPARQL interface makes interlinking > *much* more reliable, because you know exactly what happens. If you > provide me with a simple text search, I won't have any clue how your > inner searching process works (are you retrieving all resources which > label matches the search term? are you building an index on > neighboring literals?), and I won't be able to draw satisfying > interlinking conclusion. Sorry, I just cannot accept that a SPARQL endpoint is th esort of thing that we should be expecting new casual users to try to use, even with a query builder. And I am not even sure I accept the "more reliable" argument. When I search for a string I get back a resolvable URI, which leads me to exactly the information I need to know to decide if I have the right one (or it should). And even for a SPARQL query you have no more idea how I built the knowledge than a resolvable URI. And in any case, any SPARQL query to search for text on a decent KB such as dbpedia will time out. > > Best, > y And you! On 07/02/2009 15:18, "Georgi Kobilarov" <georgi.kobilarov@gmx.de> wrote: > oh, it was my laziness that kept me from announcing it publically yet, > but since Hugh is complaining about the lack of URI search functionality > in DBpedia, here it is: > > http://lookup.dbpedia.org Yay! > and you can test the auto-complete style search at > http://lookup.dbpedia.org/autocomplete.aspx Oh joy! And I am sure you feel even more encouraged now. I am hoping that as you develop it you will put the LD URI more obviously on the page, so I can see it more easily. On 07/02/2009 15:19, "Michael Hausenblas" <michael.hausenblas@deri.org> wrote: > Experience (in the realm of linked data applications) tells that it is quite > always the case that you start in a 'non-semantic' space. This might be a > keyword, a melody in your head or a still image on a Web site. So, let me > try to generalise and rephrase (one of) Hugh's questions (I'm sure he will > tell me if I've done wrong ;) ... > > How can one enter the 'semantic space' (where RDF, etc. Rules) given a > keyword, a concept, an image, etc.? Thanks - much better put than I managed. I think of things as a commutative diagram ( http://dbpedia.org/resource/Commutative_diagram found from lookup.dbpedia.org): I would like to do something in the Web of Text, but can't. So I project into the Web of Data, do it in the Web of Data, and then project (inject even?) back into the Web of Text. > > Cheers, Cheers > Michael
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