- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:16:58 -0500
- To: nathan@webr3.org
- CC: Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>, pedantic-web@googlegroups.com, SIOC-Dev <sioc-dev@googlegroups.com>
Nathan wrote: > Hi All, > > To follow on a conversation I'm having with Kingsley at the minute, and > to make it public, I'm also cc'ing in public-lod, pedantic-web and the > sioc user list, as it is to do with all 3. Please do give feedback and > correct me where I'm wrong. Especially if you can inline comment where > something is wrong in my understanding. > > Kingsley Idehen wrote: > >> Nathan wrote: >> >>> so do / should the Post, HTML Document and RDF Document all have >>> different Identifiers? >>> >> If you want to make a statement (create a record) describing anything >> you need an Identifier for the subject of your description. If you want >> said description (a graph pictorial) to be fully explorable using HTTP >> (what Linked Data is about) then you shouldn't use the URL (Address of a >> Resource) as its Identifier. An HTTP GET against a URL has specific >> consequences distinct from an HTTP GET against a Generic HTTP scheme URI >> (a genuine Identifier/Name that Identifies an Object/Resource/Data >> Item/Entity). >> >> Rather than do the whole 303 and hash URI dance (counter productive >> since it dances around the issue of Data Identity), see if this document >> of Data Object Identity clarifies things for you re. Identifiers. >> >> Links: >> >> 1. >> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/clamen/OODBMS/Manifesto/htManifesto/node4.html >> >> > > okay.. here's the set-up; I have: > > * a "Post" which is a <sioc:Post> > * a HTML Document which contains (among other things) a human readable > representation of the <sioc:Post> at an URL > * a RDF Document which contains a graph pictorial of the <sioc:Post> > which is published at an URL > > to describe or reference the <sioc:Post> I have to give it a URI: > <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> > > to describe or reference the HTML Document I have to give it a URI: > <http://example.lod/uri/html-document-123> > in addition the HTML document has an URL > <http://example.lod/documents/html-document-123.html> > > to describe or reference the RDF Document I have to give it a URI: > <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123> > in addition the RDF document has an URL > <http://example.lod/documents/rdf-document-123.rdf> Assumption: your Identifiers are slash terminated (i.e. Slash style of Generic HTTP URI). > > now, I'm assuming the RDF Document will need to be self describing (also > contain a graph pictorial about itself, as well as the <sioc:Post> - > here's a very simplified version of the triples it'd contain. > So the RDF data container (resource) is: <http://example.lod/documents/rdf-document-123.rdf>, right? > <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123> <rdf:type> <foaf:Document> ; > <dc:title> "SIOC Post profile for post-123"@en > <foaf:primaryTopic> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> . > > <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> <rdf:type> <sioc:Post> . > > Q1: is <foaf:primaryTopic> correct here? > Yep. > to say that the <sioc:Post> is contained by this graph we'd add the triple: > <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> > <sioc:link> <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123> . > Redundant, but not necessarily incorrect. You can make redundant statements :-) > then we need to say where the rdf graph can be found (provide it's URL): > <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123> > <??????> <http://example.lod/documents/rdf-document-123.rdf> . > <http://example.lod/documents/rdf-document-123.rdf> is a data set container so you identify it properly as in: <http://example.lod/documents/rdf-document-123.rdf#this>, via a simple URL to Generic HTTP URI hack, with Linked Data de-referencing in mind re. exploration of the description of this Thing/Object/Entity/Data Item. Note: a little change-up as I've added a new Identifier but taken the cheap # route via fragment identifier. This also means your could have stated the following at the top: <http://example.lod/documents/rdf-document-123.rdf#this> <rdf:type> <foaf:Document> ; <foaf:primaryTopic> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> . <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> <rdf:type> <sioc:Post>; <dc:title> "SIOC Post profile for post-123"@en. OR even the following, assuming you'd already assigned these URIs and discovered that <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123> is basically the same as <http://example.lod/documents/rdf-document-123.rdf#this> i.e., RDF data set containers (documents or information resources): <http://example.lod/documents/rdf-document-123.rdf#this> <rdf:type> <foaf:Document> ; <owl:sameAs> <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123>; <foaf:primaryTopic> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> . <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> <rdf:type> <sioc:Post>; <dc:title> "SIOC Post profile for post-123"@en. > Q2: which ontology does one use for <??????> in the above triple? > None. > then we need to say that the HTML document is a document, that contains > a human readable version of the <sioc:Post> (amongst other things) > > <http://example.lod/uri/html-document-123> > <rdf:type> <foaf:Document> ; > <foaf:primaryTopic> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> . > > Q3: is the HTML Document a <sioc:Container>, which is a container of the > <sioc:Post>? > <http://example.lod/uri/html-document-123> > <rdf:type> <foaf:Document> , <sioc:Container> ; > <foaf:primaryTopic> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> ; > <sioc:container_of> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> . > Yes, esp. as <sioc:Post> <rdfs:subClassOf> <sioc:Item> . Note same applies to the RDF data container as in: <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123> <rdf:type> <foaf:Document> , <sioc:Container> ; <foaf:primaryTopic> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> ; <sioc:container_of> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> . OR <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123> <rdf:type> <foaf:Document> , <sioc:Container> ; <owl:sameAs> <http://example.lod/documents/rdf-document-123.rdf#this>; <foaf:primaryTopic> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> ; <sioc:container_of> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> . > Q4: should we also say the description of the HTML Document is also > contained by this graph? > <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> > <sioc:link> <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123> . > <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123> <sioc:link> <http://example.lod/uri/html-document-123>. or even: <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123> <foaf:Topic> <http://example.lod/uri/html-document-123>. > Q5: how do we specify the URL of the HTML Document? > <http://example.lod/uri/html-document-123> > <?????> <http://example.lod/documents/html-document-123.html> . > Remember the earlier statement re. the RDF document (resource): <http://example.lod/documents/rdf-document-123.rdf#this> <rdf:type> <foaf:Document> ; <owl:sameAs> <http://example.lod/uri/rdf-graph-123>; <foaf:primaryTopic> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> . Re. HTML resource description same thing applies re. association with the sioc:Post: <http://example.lod/documents/html-document-123.html#this> <rdf:type> <foaf:Document>; <foaf:primaryTopic> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> . <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> <rdf:type> <sioc:Post>; <dc:title> "SIOC Post profile for post-123"@en. OR <http://example.lod/documents/html-document-123.html#this> <rdf:type> <foaf:Document> ; <owl:sameAs> <http://example.lod/uri/html-document-123>; <foaf:primaryTopic> <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> . <http://example.lod/uri/post-123> <rdf:type> <sioc:Post>; <dc:title> "SIOC Post profile for post-123"@en. > I think that's enough for now; all feedback welcome! > > regards > > nathan > > Bar any typos or cut&paste snafus, I've hopefully answered your questions. Ultimately, the file (information resource, document, data container) has its own set of attributes e.g. format (dcterms:format), actual file name (not title of the content), creation date etc.. Distinct from the description of its content (hence the use of foaf:primaryTopic as conduit to content description graph). Link: 1. http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/html/http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10407056-36.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0 - example of Linked Data graph that describes an document (information resource) in a manner distinct from its content (see the data exposed by foaf:primaryTopic) . -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen President & CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
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