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RE: RDFa in Wikipedia

From: Chris Sizemore <Chris.Sizemore@bbc.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:42:24 +0100
Message-ID: <22E75701DF55CB459F5EC560C366846705AE7140@bbcxue219.national.core.bbc.co.uk>
To: "Jason Borro" <jason@openguid.net>
Cc: <public-lod@w3.org>
ah, gotcha... i'm in the camp that thinks the barrier-to-entry for dbPedia/wikipedia-tagging is lower than, say, openGUID -- thus, as a mainstream phenomenon, wikipedia proves most useful for categorisation (essentially, it's happening at a grassroots level naturally)... thus, for *some* use cases (clearly not all, by any means), the "drift" on wikipedia identifiers (less than 5% by most counts) is forgivable. as i'd see it: "A SMALL FEW Wikipedia URIs evolve over time..." ;-)

however, for many use cases, even this small amount of drfit won't be acceptable... and this helps me understand your reason for openGUID. i think i get it more know, cool stuff.


best--

--cs


-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Borro [mailto:jason@openguid.net]
Sent: Tue 9/30/2008 10:42 AM
To: Chris Sizemore
Cc: public-lod@w3.org
Subject: Re: RDFa in Wikipedia
 
Wikipedia URIs evolve over time as new concepts are added and 
disambiguated.  Any data linked to those URIs would need remapping. 
There is also a notability requirement for existence.

UMBEL has a nice subject concept space, though some would argue it is 
just one view of the world.  Linked entities can benefit if they find a 
place in that ontology.

OpenGUID is a permanent identifier that doesn't have a view of the 
world.  So unnotable taoists like me can have reliably linked data.

I guess I'm just self-serving,
Jason

Chris Sizemore wrote:
> there's a UMBEL to dBPedia (thus wikipedia?) mapping already out there, 
> i think. not sure if this would provide what you mean?
> 
> also, interestingly, we've been spending some time 
> "tagging/categorizing" our content with wikipedia URIs (thus dBpedia 
> URIs)... which, when they map to UMBEL or MusicBRainz, etc
> 
> so, i remain puzzled as to the supposed difference between 
> dBpedia/wikipedia, UMBEL, and now openGUID? don't these all basically 
> overlap, as lists of subjects/concepts? which isn't a bad thing, BTW...
> 
> 
> best--
> 
> --cs
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Borro [mailto:jason@openguid.net]
> Sent: Tue 9/30/2008 1:54 AM
> To: Chris Sizemore
> Cc: public-lod@w3.org
> Subject: Re: RDFa in Wikipedia
> 
> I was talking about tagging wikipedia articles with a subject (UMBEL or
> Open GUID, e.g.)
> 
> I did see the Semantic-MediaWiki project, but that is more geared
> towards specific ontologies.  There was a student recently working on an
> RDFa plugin for it [1], but not sure how extractable that is to base
> MediaWiki.
> 
> There was also a student submission to the SWIKIG group that did not
> receive any responses.  Might be out of date.
> 
> 1.
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=DC7AB12E-3941-43E3-BB84-408802AA3C7D%40gmail.com
> 2. http://www.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/pipermail/swikig/2007-July/000427.html
> 
> Chris Sizemore wrote:
>  > hi jason, are you talking about "tagging" wikipedia articles or more
>  > about tagging other content with wikipedia URIs?
>  >
>  >
>  > best--
>  >
>  > --cs
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: public-lod-request@w3.org [mailto:public-lod-request@w3.org] On
>  > Behalf Of jason@openguid.net
>  > Sent: 27 September 2008 23:59
>  > To: public-lod@w3.org
>  > Subject: RDFa in Wikipedia
>  >
>  >
>  > Some of the biggest linked datasets are derived from Wikipedia and
>  > semantic URIs are generated from article names.
>  >
>  > Wouldn't it make sense to develop a MediaWiki plugin (or core
>  > enhancement) that allows tagging of an article with a URI instead?
>  >
>  > Ideally you could tag any arbitrary content with the 'about' attribute,
>  > etc (a full featured RDFa plugin).  Though tagging just the main content
>  > div would be a great start.  Maybe it's as simple as a text box at the
>  > bottom of the article edit screen.
>  >
>  > Then we would just need to convince Mr. Wales to enable it on Wikipedia
>  > and we would have more robust subject mapping.
>  >
>  > Thoughts?  Anyone familiar with MediaWiki have free cycles?  :)
>  >
>  > Jason
>  >
>  >
>  >
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