- From: Adrian Pohl <pohl@hbz-nrw.de>
- Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:39:23 +0200
- To: <public-lld@w3.org>
Hello Jakob, >>>Jakob Voss <jakob.voss@gbv.de> schrieb am 17.10.2011 um 13:09: > Hi Adrian, > >>> I just started to experiment with RDF encoding of information >>> about library holdings. Has anyone done something in this direction >>> yet, so we can adjust our conceptual models and ontologies? >> >> We have done something in this direction with lobid.org. Currently, >> we only link frbr:manifestations (the non-series things described by >> library records) to organisations which have at least one item >> instantiating this manifestation. We don't re-use or mint any item >> URIs and, thus, use blank nodes. > > > > http://lobid.org/resource/HT002948556 > > Good to check. An item URI for the same book in one of our libraries is > > http://uri.gbv.de/item/opac-de-18:epn:354541463 > > so we only need to somehow map both via frbr:exemplar :-) Yes, the only thing we can do at the moment (as you don't have GBV-URIs for the manifestation) is link the lobid entry to the GBV exemplar: <http://lobid.org/resource/HT002948556> frbr:exemplar <http://uri.gbv.de/item/opac-de-18:epn:354541463> > However I > currently focus on items, because I don't know what a manifestation > really is (especially in contrast to frbr:Expression) and because I > hesitate to create new URIs for thins that already have URIs. I could > create an URI for the same Manifestation, for instance > > http://uri.gbv.de/document/gvk:ppn:16523315X - the book itself > http://uri.gbv.de/record/gvk:ppn:16523315X - catalog record of the book > > And say > > <http://lobid.org/resource/HT002948556> owl:sameAs > <http://uri.gbv.de/item/opac-de-18:epn:354541463> You mean: <http://lobid.org/resource/HT002948556> owl:sameAs <http://uri.gbv.de/document/gvk:ppn:16523315X > . > But how about URIs for the same Book in WorldCat and other catalogs? > Should everone mint his own URIs for FRBR expressions and manifestations? Everyone has created his own records describing FRBR manifestations until now... A decentral approach seems sensible to me especially regarding performance and issues of long term preservation. We then have to figure out how edits to a record are communicated between instances. (In hbz-internal discussions Jörg Prante has proposed using a chat protocol like XMPP for this.) > By the way it would be nice to enrich your example with some links to > external sources, for instance: > > http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/630937301 > http://www.librarything.com/work/143122 I think you are getting into problems if you do this automatically as you can't be sure whether the thing described in WorldCat, LibraryThing etc. is really the same. (You could of course use another predicate than owl:sameAs but we have to think about use cases first to find out what links really make sense.) Also, this is what actually is going on in the culturegraph project and we hope to get good information where to link to out of it in the coming months. >>> In lack of existing RDF properties for library holdings I created >>> >>> http://purl.org/ontology/daia/label >>> >>> for call numbers and >>> >>> http://purl.org/ontology/daia/heldBy >>> >>> for a "holding" relationship between item and a library >>> institution. (by the way: is "held by proper English or better >>> "hold by"?). Unfortunately the international ISIL agency has not >>> defined an URI prefix for ISIL yet, so I recommend to use the >>> prefix from lobid.org. >> >> The holding relationship can also be represented by >> http://vocab.org/frbr/core#owner ("A property representing an entity >> that owns an item."). So, you don't have to mint a new one... > > A library does not necessarily own a book that it holds. Same applies to > digital documents where a library has licensed access to it. So I found > frbr:owner to narrow in scope. daia:holds / daia:heldBy was created to > express the relationship between a book and a library institution that > holds this book it its collection, so I don't have to think about > difficult questions of legal right of property and ownership. I understand. I just don't put this legal semantics into this predicate... Generally, I found Francisca's mail interesting, refering to CIDOC where an item obviously would be linked to a collection instead of directly to an organization. That make ssense as big libraries may have many different collections at different places. Relating an item primarily to a collection would mean adding useful information about location, access etc. But you can do this afterwards, anyway... >>> The FaBiO has some more properties that could be used to describe >>> library holdings, but I hesitate to reuse purely theoretical >>> ontologies from academics that have not been applied to real world >>> library data. >> >> Same problems here. We don't use FaBiO because it isn't used >> anywhere else. Also it is quite complex and implementing some kind of >> idiosyncratic FRBR flavor (who doesn't...). It doesn't seem very >> sensible to me in some parts I've looked at. > > ok, maybe I'll drop it too. > >>> Do we have URIs for "ONIX media format" and "MARC media format" yet >>> and how do you relate an item to its format? >> >> Until now, we have used literals for specifying the format and medium >> using the properties dcterms:format and dcterms:medium. It's all not >> very stable yet. Input for the literal is MAB field 050[1]. We'd >> also be happy about a controlled vocabulary. > > I found a good description by Eversberg (in German): > http://www.allegro-c.de/regeln/rda/chap3.htm Thanks, I will have a look at it. > In RDA we have: > > 1. media type > 2. carrier type > 3. content type > > There are (unstable?) URIs at > > http://metadataregistry.org/concept/list/vocabulary_id/37.html > http://metadataregistry.org/concept/list/vocabulary_id/46.html > http://metadataregistry.org/concept/list/vocabulary_id/45.html > > @prefix rdamedia: <http://rdvocab.info/termList/RDAMediaType/> > @prefix rdacarrier: <http://rdvocab.info/termList/RDACarrierType/> > @prefix rdacontent: <http://rdvocab.info/termList/RDAContentType/> > > Is there consensus which RDF properties to use for relating FRBR > resources and RDA media/carrier/content types? I don't think so but would like to hear more about this. >>> I am still looking for good RDF properties to connect an item to >>> the library record which is about the item's frbr:Manifestation >>> (or frbr:Expression?). >> >> Why connect an item to the record if you can connect it to the >> manifestation itself? If an item is connected to a manifestation it >> already is indirectly connected with the record/the description of >> the manifestation. > > Ok, your are right. > >> Funnily, just today I had a related question about relating in RDF a >> journal to a library which at least holds one issue of this journal >> and came up with the solution shown in. The initial problem was that >> we have URIs for journals in the German Union Catalogue of Serials >> (Zeitschriftendatenbank, ZDB) and have URIs of libraries which own >> some issues of this journal, without knowing which concrete issues >> these are. As the issue as well as the item are unknown/have no URI >> (yet), the result contains two blank nodes... > > Yes, it's better to have blank URIs than overhastyly introducing new > URIs that must later be changed. ...especially, when URIs should better be minted by libraries in namespaces controlled by them and not by the hbz. It's them who hold the resource and know best about it's access conditions and availability information. Cheers Adrian > > Jakob
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