- From: Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>
- Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:54:08 -0400
- To: "Svensson, Lars" <L.Svensson@dnb.de>, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>, "public-lld" <public-lld@w3.org>
Lars, Here's a section in the OWL Guide that probably explains it better than I can. http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-guide/ Basically, owl:ObjectProperty and owl:DatatypeProperty can (and generally should) be used in place of rdfs:Property to avoid the label/thing confusion we saw in older RDF vocabularies. An example is dc:creator <http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#elements-creator>: <uri-1> dc:creator "John Doe" ; dc:creator <uri-2> . In principle, the newer dcterms:creator element could be upgraded to owl:ObjectProperty because its rdfs:range setting doesn't allow literals <http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-creator>. I can try to give more examples and context if necessary. Jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: Svensson, Lars [mailto:L.Svensson@dnb.de] > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:15 AM > To: Young,Jeff (OR); Karen Coyle; public-lld > Subject: AW: Ontological constraints > > Jeff, > > for those of us (i. e. me) who are not so deep into OWL: What's the > difference between owl:ObjectProperty and > owl:DatatypeProperty? I guess it's got something to do with is-a vs. > has-a. > > Thanks, > > Lars > > **** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. **** > **** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** > > -- > Dr. Lars G. Svensson > Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik > http://www.dnb.de/ > l.svensson@dnb.de > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Young,Jeff (OR) [mailto:jyoung@oclc.org] > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. März 2011 15:35 > > An: Svensson, Lars; Karen Coyle; public-lld > > Betreff: RE: Ontological constraints > > > > One aspect of this is that it isn't necessarily essential to include > > rdf:type properties when we name individuals using a URI. Many of > them > > can be inferred on-demand from the domain/range of its properties. In > > those cases, including them in an RDF document representation is just > > another form of caching. > > > > I think it makes sense to emphasize properties over classes, > especially > > if those properties are defined as owl:ObjectProperty vs. > > owl:DatatypeProprety. "is-a" is nice to know and handy for dealing > with > > sets of individuals, but "has-a" says how and why somebody believes A > > and B are two different things. If the property relationship > connecting > > the two individuals is believable, then it helps inform our > > understanding of the "is-a" relationships assigned to the > individuals. > > > > I think it's interesting to look at the DBpedia entry for "Pride and > > Prejudice" and ask which properties are problematic and why. How we > > could tweak them to make more sense without starting from scratch? > > > > http://dbpedia.org/page/Pride_and_Prejudice > > > > Jeff > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Svensson, Lars [mailto:L.Svensson@dnb.de] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 4:15 AM > > > To: Young,Jeff (OR); Karen Coyle; public-lld > > > Subject: AW: Ontological constraints > > > > > > Karen, Jeff, > > > > > > A late note on this: > > > > > > > I think the key phrase is "sufficient to support the intended > > > knowledge > > > > sharing activities". > > > > > > > > One area of disagreement seems to be on the need to proliferate > > > > properties to encode the domain and/or range in the property name > > > > itself. > > > > > > Tom quoted Karen in saying > > > > > > [[ > > > On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 09:35:22AM -0800, Karen Coyle wrote: > > > > I actually think that we should emphasize the "has a" rather than > > "is > > > > a" aspects of the resources we describe, and let the "has a" > allow > > us > > > > to infer any number of "is a" qualities. This is the message that > > Jon > > > > Phipps gave at the tutorial day at DC in Pittsburgh -- that we > > > > describe things by their characteristics, and those > characteristics > > > > tell us what the thing *is*. > > > > > > Yes, that sounds right to me. Emphasize Properties > > > (relationships) over Classes. Verbs over nouns. Describe > > > things less through giving them a name -- i.e., writing a > > > definition for a class of things to which they belong -- > > > and more through enumerating their characteristics. > > > ]] [1] > > > > > > If this is so, then I'd say that we _definitely_ need to state > > > domain/range for the properties, otherwise The System (TM) will not > > be > > > able to find out what the thing is, even if it knows the > > > characteristics. Does that make sense? > > > > > > [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- > lld/2011Mar/0025.html > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Lars > > > > > > > > > **** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. > **** > > > **** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** > > > > > > -- > > > Dr. Lars G. Svensson > > > Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik > > > http://www.dnb.de/ > > > l.svensson@dnb.de > > > > > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > > > Von: public-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-lld-request@w3.org] > > Im > > > > Auftrag von Young,Jeff (OR) > > > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. März 2011 20:11 > > > > An: Karen Coyle; public-lld > > > > Betreff: RE: Ontological constraints > > > > > > > > I think the key phrase is "sufficient to support the intended > > > knowledge > > > > sharing activities". > > > > > > > > One area of disagreement seems to be on the need to proliferate > > > > properties to encode the domain and/or range in the property name > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: public-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-lld- > > request@w3.org] > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Karen Coyle > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:03 PM > > > > > To: public-lld > > > > > Subject: Ontological constraints > > > > > > > > > > Pursuant to our discussion today on the WG conference call > about > > > FR's > > > > > and ontological constraints, this quote I first saw when Tom > > Baker > > > > > posted it, and later I discovered the actual article it was > from: > > > > > > > > > > 5. Minimal ontological commitment: An ontology should require > the > > > > > minimal ontological commitment sufficient to support the > intended > > > > > knowledge sharing activities. An ontology should make as few > > claims > > > > as > > > > > possible about the world being modeled, allowing the parties > > > > committed > > > > > to the ontology freedom to specialize and instantiate the > > ontology > > > as > > > > > needed. Since ontological commitment is based on consistent use > > of > > > > > vocabulary, ontological commitment can be minimized by > specifying > > > the > > > > > weakest theory (allowing the most models) and defining only > those > > > > > terms that are essential to the communication of knowledge > > > consistent > > > > > with that theory. > > > > > > > > > > Gruber, Thomas R. ?Toward principles for the design of > ontologies > > > > used > > > > > for knowledge sharing.? International Journal Human-Computer > > > Studies > > > > > 43 (1993): 907-928. > > > > > (p.3) > > > > > > > > > > I think what our discussion was dancing around was whether we > > think > > > > > that the FRBR entity constraints constitute the appropriate > level > > > of > > > > > commitment. Some think that it is, others feel that it > > > > > over-constrains. Perhaps the message from the group (for the > > > report) > > > > > is that the level of constraint needs to be investigated in > > > relation > > > > > to the "knowledge sharing activities". > > > > > > > > > > kc > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Karen Coyle > > > > > kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net > > > > > ph: 1-510-540-7596 > > > > > m: 1-510-435-8234 > > > > > skype: kcoylenet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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