Re: Question about a link relationship attribute

David,

Thanks for this, I'll crawl back to my hole and study for a bit.

Just a quick comment- I'm pretty sure that if there is a difference between a local representation of a bibliographic reference to the book and  a bibliographic reference to the book, I won't be able to explain it to more than 0.01% of potential users.

Eric

On Feb 15, 2011, at 10:44 AM, David Shotton wrote:

> Oops - hit the send button too soon! TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR IN PREVIOUS MESSAGE HERE CORRECTED!!  Please ignore and delete previous version.  D
> 
> Dear Eric,
> 
> CiTO [1] is not the appropriate ontology to use.  As Jodi knows, we have now developed a suite of Semantic Publishing and Referencing (SPAR) Ontologies [2] that permits you describe what you want.  CiTO is part of that suite, but is strictly limited to characterizing citations between publication entities, not for characterizing bibliographic references to the objects of such citations, for which BiRO [3], the Bibliographic Reference Ontology is appropriate. 
> 
> BiRO also permits bibliographic references (incomplete FRBR expressions, for example, lacking ISBN) to be related to bibliographic records about the same entity (hopefully complete, including ISBN, copyright statement, etc.), bibliographic references to be described as part of reference lists, and bibliographic records to be described as part of library catalogues and other bibliographic collections, as the explanatory diagram at [4] shows. 
> 
> Additionally, FaBiO [5], the FRBR-aligned Bibliographic Ontology, can be used to describe bibliographic entities like journal articles and books.  In this it resembles BIBO, but it is more expressive, since it uses the FRBR hierarchy.
> 
> If you had a web page that was indeed a local representation of a whole book, you could say: 
> @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
> @prefix xsd: <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#> .
> @prefix dcterms: <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> .
> @prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> .
> @prefix frbr: <http://purl.org/spar/frbr/> .
> @prefix fabio: <http://purl.org/spar/fabio/> .
> 
> <http://***>  #  Publisher's URL for the book 
>       rdf:type fabio:Book 
>     ; dcterms:publisher [ a foaf:Organization ; foaf:name "***" ] 
>     ; fabio:hasPublicationYear "2010"^^xsd:gYear
>     ; frbr:alternate <http://***)> .   # URL of your local HTML copy of the book
> However, your examples (e.g. of an OPAC entry or a bookstore item page) implies that you do not really mean the local representation of the entire book on a web page, but rather the local representation of a bibliographic reference to the book or a bibliographic record describing the book.  In the latter case, you could say:
> @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
> @prefix xsd: <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#> .
> @prefix dcterms: <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> .
> @prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> .
> @prefix frbr: <http://purl.org/spar/frbr/> .
> @prefix fabio: <http://purl.org/spar/fabio/> .
> @prefix biro: <http://purl.org/net/biro/>.
> 
> <http://***>  #  Publisher's URL for the book 
>       rdf:type fabio:Book 
>     ; dcterms:publisher [ a foaf:Organization ; foaf:name "***" ] 
>     ; fabio:hasPublicationYear "2010"^^xsd:gYear
>     ; biro:isReferencedBy <http://***)>  # URL of your local web page containing bibliographic reference to the book 
>     ; biro:isReferencedBy <http://www.amazon.co.uk/***)>  # URL of Amazon page containing bibliographic reference to the book
>     ; biro:isReferencedBy <http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/***)> .  # URL of Oxford University's OPAC catalogue item about the book
> If you send us a real-world example, we will be happy to return a SPAR encoding.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> David
> 
> [1] http:/purl.org/spar/cito
> [2] http://opencitations.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/introducing-the-semantic-publishing-and-referencing-spar-ontologies/
> [3] http://purl.org/spar/biro/
> [4] https://sempublishing.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/sempublishing/BiRO/BiRO.png
> [5] http://purl.org/spar/fabio/
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15/02/2011 14:17, Jodi Schneider wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Eric, (& adding Silvio, David to cc:)
>>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2011, at 13:58, Eric Hellman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Some lazy questions- I'm sure people have thought and discussed before.
>>>> 
>>>> I was just acquainting myself with cito, and was wondering what people thought was the best link relationship  to use for the case of a web page which is a local representation of a book, as might be found on an OPAC item page, bookstore item page, or a discussion page on social network page. None of the cito attributes fit- same with bibo. 
>>> 
>>> I agree, based on [1].
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Or is the web page just rdf:about the book?
>>> 
>>> This seems reasonable to me.
>>> 
>>>> If I put an "like" button on the page, is the user liking the book or the discussion about the book?
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, I do agree that this is a problem. But it may not be clear to the *user* which one they're doing, so maybe that's ok. I'm curious to hear other views, though!
>>> 
>>> -Jodi
>>> 
>>> [1] http:/purl.org/spar/cito
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Eric Hellman
>>>> President, Gluejar, Inc.
>>>> 41 Watchung Plaza, #132
>>>> Montclair, NJ 07042
>>>> USA
>>>> 
>>>> eric@hellman.net 
>>>> http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/
>>>> @gluejar
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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