- From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
- Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:15:34 +0100
- To: "Young,Jeff (OR)" <jyoung@oclc.org>
- CC: Neubert Joachim <J.Neubert@zbw.eu>, public-lld <public-lld@w3.org>
Hi Jeff, I'm not sure that everyone agreed explicitly with the "contributor" model. We agreed on using SKOS with other required stuff, but if you're going to have this perspective combined with another one, maybe we should re-visit our judgments ;-) In fact the present VIAF vocabulary is good in the sense that it keeps explicit track of what VIAF does with the original data. There is this aggregation process going on, and it may be harmful to have this mis-represented in the data. It will be cumbersome to have the aggregated "local" concepts and the one resulting from the aggregation together, especially if both have the same type. Which one should a data consumer focus on? I won't be too detailed here, as I don't think my understanding on your complete new proposal is precise enough. Two general remarks, though: - in the Europeana Data Model [1] we use ORE proxies [2] in a way that can deal with your aggregation problem. This is fairly cumbersome, though. Apparently there's no free lunch on trying to solve this :-) - as mentioned in my previous mail, hatever be your modelling decision, I'd favour an approach to vocabulary interoperability that relies on explicit subclass/subproperty (or equivalent class/property) axioms to standard vocabularies. Directly letting your current VIAF constructs "go away" (if I understand well that expression) seems dangerous, as it hides the original rationale of the data. Linking back to our application profiles discussion last week, keeping explicit your positioning VIAF as an AP of SKOS/FOAF/whatwever seems good :-) Cheers, Antoine [1] http://version1.europeana.eu/web/europeana-project/technicaldocuments/, see "EDM Data Model Primer" [2] http://www.openarchives.org/ore/1.0/datamodel#Proxies > I’m happy to hear so much agreement on the VIAF contributor model. Given this, I would like to propose a VIAF aggregation model to go with it. > > To recap the contributor model, VIAF would mint a skos:ConceptScheme URI for each “source” and a skos:Concept for each contributed “record”. This would help us clarify the http://viaf.org/ontology/1.1/#AuthorityAgency class and do away with http://viaf.org/ontology/1.1/#NameAuthority (which are effectively contributed skos:Concepts). If the source already conforms to the “contributor model”, then VIAF can reuse their skos:ConceptScheme and skos:Concept identifiers. > > IMO, VIAF itself should be remodeled as a skos:ConceptScheme something like this: > > <http://viaf.org/ontology/1.2/#skos:ConceptScheme> > > rdf:type skos:ConceptScheme . > > This would allow us to do away with http://viaf.org/ontology/1.1/#NameAuthorityCluster (which are effectively VIAF skos:Concepts). For example: > > <http://viaf.org/viaf/108389263/#skos:Concept> > > rdf:type skos:Concept ; > > skos:inScheme <http://viaf.org/ontology/1.2/#skos:ConceptScheme>. > > As mentioned, this would allow contributed and VIAF skos:Concepts to be related (clustered) using skos:exactMatch in a hub and spoke pattern. > > In the “contributor model”, ConceptSchemes should be free to choose SKOS or SKOSXL prefLabel/altLabel, but VIAF will probably use SKOSXL exclusively to encourage reconciliation with the FRSAD model. The http://viaf.org/ontology/1.1/#Heading and its subclasses could then go away in favor of skosxl:Label. If necessary, VIAF could produce both literal and object labels, but it would be nice if we could avoid this duplication. > > Regarding FRSAD, we need to beware that skos:inScheme is typically attached to skos:Concept whereas FRSAD wants to attach it to the skosxl:Label. SKOS doesn’t specify a domain for skos:inScheme, so should we discuss the need/possibility of doing both? > > Also note that VIAF depends on its contributors for skosxl:Labels. Although the contributed skos:Concept spokes are expected to have a prefLabel, the VIAF skos:Concept hub currently has no mechanism for choosing a preference. This presumably means that all concept/label connections at the hub level will be skosxl:altLabel in the next release. We tried to solve this in version 1.1 using custom properties, but I’m skeptical this is the correct path. Consequently, they will probably be abandoned rather than updated in the next release: > > http://viaf.org/ontology/1.1/#hasEstablishedForm > > http://viaf.org/ontology/1.1/#hasXrefAlternate > > Jeff > > *From:* Neubert Joachim [mailto:J.Neubert@zbw.eu] > *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2010 5:47 AM > *To:* Young,Jeff (OR); public-lld > *Subject:* AW: VIAF contributor model > > Hi Jeff, > > +1 for your approach using skos:Concept. > > One key advantage I see in this is that it can be adapted and used easily inside and outside the library world, with standard tools which support homegrown keyword lists or open or custom taxonomies of any kind. An important area for such tools are autosuggest services for keyword selection, hinting from skos:altLabel to skos:prefLabel, with support for skos:hiddenLabel if necessary (you can find an example implementation of such a service at http://zbw.eu/beta/stw-ws/examples/suggest.html). > > I'd also suggest to add a skos:prefLabel to every VIAF cluster. skos:prefLabel is meant to "unambiguously represent this concept within a KOS and its applications" (SKOS Primer). Especially in the case personal names, this encourages building unique literals like "Chen, Li, 1954-" (different from "Chen, Li, 1810-1882") in VIAF or "Müller, E. 19..-.... traducteur" in BNF or "Schmidt, Hans (Musiker)" in GND. > > If I got it right, you already did a lot of disambiguation for your viaf:Headings. Adding a skos:prefLabel to every VIAF cluster would express clear commitment to strive for uniqueness and also allow easy reuse by tools (where skosxl:Label properties are significantly more difficult to handle), and thus could be tremendously useful. > > Cheers, Joachim > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > *Von:* public-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-lld-request@w3.org] *Im Auftrag von *Young,Jeff (OR) > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. Oktober 2010 23:21 > *An:* public-lld > *Betreff:* VIAF contributor model > > The VIAF RDF is badly in need of an update. For example, VIAF has a bad habit of assuming that “clusters” automatically map to “Person”. Upgrading it to recognize the reality of “Organization” and perhaps a few others shouldn’t be too hard, but there are other issues worth considering. > > After closer inspection, it looks like the VIAF ontology <http://viaf.org/ontology/1.1/> reinvents some key aspects of SKOS. It would be nice to start factoring out these misalignments ASAP. This group’s input on the possibilities would be greatly appreciated. > > Background: VIAF started out using foaf:Person for its “real world objects”, switched to skos:Concept, and was starting to wobble back to foaf:Person. At that point, the decision was made to identify both for the sake of argument: > > http://viaf.org/viaf/102333412/#foaf:Person > > http://viaf.org/viaf/102333412/#skos:Concept > > It was far from clear at the time whether both made sense, separate identity was necessary, or what property should be used to connect them. > > At the F2F, Martin Malmsten (who is involved with contributions to VIAF via SELIBR) pointed out the new foaf:focus element that seems to do a very good job of rationalizing for the connection. > > http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_focus > > Like VIAF, SELIBR also coins URIs for foaf:Person and skos:Concept and this seems like a good model for other contributors and VIAF itself to follow. > > I’m also inclined to believe that skos:ConceptScheme should be used to differentiate different “sources” in VIAF. This could and probably should be done regardless of whether the contributors understand or publish SKOS themselves. The attached UML is intended to show how this could be conceptualized. This presumably requires some explanation, but hopefully a picture is worth a thousand words. > > I’m also pretty convinced that the http://viaf.org/ontology/1.1/#Heading class needs to be bound to skosxl:Label class in some way (rdfs:subClassOf?). I don’t think it can completely go away, though, because of inconvenient restrictions on the skosxsl:prefLabel and skosxl:altLabel. > > Thoughts or questions? > > Jeff > > --- > > Jeffrey A. Young > Software Architect > OCLC Research, Mail Code 410 > OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc. > 6565 Kilgour Place > Dublin, OH 43017-3395 > www.oclc.org <http://www.oclc.org> > > Voice: 614-764-4342 > Voice: 800-848-5878, ext. 4342 > Fax: 614-718-7477 > Email: jyoung@oclc.org <mailto:jyoung@oclc.org> >
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