- From: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:35:32 -0400
- To: Gavin Carothers <gavin@carothers.name>
- Cc: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, Gregg Kellogg <gregg@greggkellogg.net>, W3C RDF WG <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>, JSON-LD JSON <public-linked-json@w3.org>
* Gavin Carothers <gavin@carothers.name> [2013-03-22 09:09-0700] > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 22, 2013, at 15:49 , Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote: > > > > > I am in favour keeping that remark in. > > > > > > B.t.w., will we also have a TriG in HTML? :-) > > > > Actually... I wonder. Gregg and I already referred to that at some point: > > wouldn't it be cleaner to have a separate Working Group *Note* on the > > inclusion of RDF and Dataset serializations in HTML files via the <script> > > tag once and for all? After all, the Turtle and the JSON-LD in HTML do > > exactly the same thing, the only difference is the media type. I would > > think that TriG in HTML makes sense as well, as well as n triples. We could > > then remove these sections from the JSON-LD and the Turtle documents where > > they do not really belong. > > > > I do not think it would be a huge amount of work writing this down, it is > > a matter of a 1-2 page note. > > > > Just an idea... > > > > I fully and completely endorse this idea! The practice of > embedding reusable data in HTML using <script> is wider then JSON-LD, or > Turtle. Almost all the issues are the same. Also as this is a > new emerging practice it makes sense to be able to rapidly change our > advice in the face of implementations. This makes sense to me. Notes have dated and short names. For the purposes of promoting Turtle in HTML, Turtle can have a very short section which references e.g. <http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-in-html/>. We'd want to have a dated version before the end of PR, e.g http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-rdf-in-html-20130415/ and we can write further editions as we learn and think more. I propose rdf-in-html insted of data-in-html presuming it would talk about the interpretation of RDF dialects and named graphs and that sort of thing. > Cheers, > Gavin > > > > > > Ivan > > > > > > > > > > Ivan > > > > > > On Mar 22, 2013, at 15:30 , Gregg Kellogg <gregg@greggkellogg.net> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Looking for comments on the JSON-LD in HTML section. Please chime in if > > you have an opinion on the behavior of multiple script tags containing > > JSON-LD, or possibly JSON-LD and Turtle, possibly included in an RDFa > > document. > > >> > > >> Gregg Kellogg > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPad > > >> > > >> Begin forwarded message: > > >> > > >>> From: Markus Lanthaler <notifications@github.com> > > >>> Date: March 22, 2013, 2:06:56 AM PDT > > >>> To: "json-ld/json-ld.org" <json-ld.org@noreply.github.com> > > >>> Cc: Gregg Kellogg <gregg@greggkellogg.net> > > >>> Subject: Re: [json-ld.org] JSON-LD in HTML (#231) > > >>> Reply-To: "json-ld/json-ld.org" < > > reply+i-12110895-52c09e5d3a34f703c6719b4aa90283f79295ff6a-46296@reply.github.co > > > > > >>> > > >>> I did ask this already in c728c6b but would like to record it also > > here as commit discussions are somewhat difficult to find and I don't wanna > > forget this. > > >>> > > >>> The section currently says: > > >>> > > >>> If a processor extracts the JSON-LD content into RDF, it should expand > > the JSON-LD fragment into an RDF dataset using the algorithm defined in > > JSON-LD-API Convert to RDF Algorithm [JSON-LD-API]. If the HTML file > > contains multiple JSON-LD script tags, or other RDF statements are > > extracted, the result is the RDF merge of the datasets. > > >>> > > >>> Other processors implementing this mechanism may choose to return the > > expanded JSON-LD output. > > >>> > > >>> Markus: Can we drop this part? I think it doesn't add much value but > > sounds overly complicated for people just wanting to use it as JSON-LD. > > >>> > > >>> Gregg: It's important to give guidance when there are multiple script > > tags, so that the result is clear. We could say that the result is the > > merge of all such documents. > > >>> > > >>> When extracting RDF, JSON-LD could be combined with other formats > > (microdata, RDFa, Turtle in HTML). In this case, it's also necessary to say > > what the expected result it. Without this statement, it won't be clear what > > to do. > > >>> > > >>> Markus: I understand where you are coming from, but that’s an > > orthogonal aspect that is application dependent. In our spec we should > > define how JSON-LD can be embedded in HTML. How such data is used is beyond > > the scope of this spec. I would strongly prefer to remove this part. > > >>> > > >>> — > > >>> Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub. > > >>> > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead > > > Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ > > > mobile: +31-641044153 > > > FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead > > Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ > > mobile: +31-641044153 > > FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- -ericP
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