- From: Michael Hausenblas <michael.hausenblas@deri.org>
- Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:27:33 +0000
- To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Cc: <Ora.Lassila@nokia.com>, <public-ldp@w3.org>
> One approach would be (something that is possible today thought was > not before) is to create a community group for that purpose, with > the explicit charter of consolidating/surveying what is out there in > this area already, and see if there is a possibility/chance to come > up with some more systematic standardization work. We would need > champions to drive that, though... You mean like http://www.w3.org/community/rww/ maybe? :) Cheers, Michael -- Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway Ireland, Europe Tel. +353 91 495730 http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ http://sw-app.org/about.html On 17 Jan 2012, at 15:17, Ivan Herman wrote: > One approach would be (something that is possible today thought was > not before) is to create a community group for that purpose, with > the explicit charter of consolidating/surveying what is out there in > this area already, and see if there is a possibility/chance to come > up with some more systematic standardization work. We would need > champions to drive that, though... > > Ivan > > On Jan 17, 2012, at 16:05 , <Ora.Lassila@nokia.com> wrote: > >> Ivan, >> >> Indeed. [Sigh] If I knew of an access control mechanism that is >> mature and >> proven in the Linked Data context I would have made a much stronger >> statement in favor of addressing the issue. We do not want to >> engage in >> R&D work (we have made that mistake before ;-) but my great fear is >> that >> if we merely suggest that someone else will take care of this we >> may be >> signaling that this is not an issue of paramount importance. >> >> I don't have any magical answers or advice here, I am merely >> expressing >> concern... I guess I would like there at least to be some >> discussion about >> this. Saying that there is no solution and saying that something is >> out of >> scope should, after all, not be the same thing. >> >> - Ora >> >> >> On 2012-01-17 9:54 AM, "ext Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org> wrote: >> >>> Ora, >>> >>> I hear you. However (and that may show my complete ignorance...) >>> is there >>> any access control mechanism out there that has already proven >>> itself in >>> the area of Linked Data deployment that is in the maturity level of >>> standardization? I am a bit concerned about chartering this group >>> with an >>> essentially R&D work while the other goals are much less so... >>> >>> Ivan >>> >>> On Jan 17, 2012, at 15:47 , <Ora.Lassila@nokia.com> wrote: >>> >>>> As much as I would like to have a "tight scope" for this WG, I >>>> have to >>>> observe that access control (or more like lack thereof) has often >>>> been a >>>> problem in Semantic Web/Linked Data projects I have been involved >>>> in. >>>> Particularly fine-grained access control of Semantic Web data. >>>> >>>> I fear that deeming access control strictly "out of scope" and >>>> hoping >>>> that >>>> some (so far unspecified) liaison with other groups to solve this >>>> problem >>>> will only result in the issue not being seen as important enough. >>>> >>>> My $0.02. >>>> >>>> - Ora >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Ora Lassila ora.lassila@nokia.com http://www.lassila.org >>>> Principal Technologist, Nokia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2012-01-17 6:25 AM, "ext Michael Hausenblas" >>>> <michael.hausenblas@deri.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> I'd suggest to improve the following section and be more explicit >>>>> regarding the bigger picture [1]: >>>>> >>>>> [[ >>>>> 2.3 Out of Scope >>>>> Several possible standards that are out of scope for this group, >>>>> such >>>>> as those listed below: >>>>> >>>>> € Access control mechanisms, WebACL, Web Identity >>>>> ]] >>>>> >>>>> Mention that both authentication and authorisation are orthogonal >>>>> issues and hence, in order to stay focused and to be successful, >>>>> the >>>>> WG will not focus on these issues (but liaison with the respective >>>>> groups to ensure compatibility and openness). >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Michael >>>>> >>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/wiki/WriteWebOfData >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow >>>>> LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre >>>>> DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute >>>>> NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway >>>>> Ireland, Europe >>>>> Tel. +353 91 495730 >>>>> http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ >>>>> http://sw-app.org/about.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead >>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ >>> mobile: +31-641044153 >>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > ---- > Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead > Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ > mobile: +31-641044153 > FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf > > > > >
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