Re: Linked Data Platform Working Group Charter comment

One approach would be (something that is possible today thought was not before) is to create a community group for that purpose, with the explicit charter of consolidating/surveying what is out there in this area already, and see if there is a possibility/chance to come up with some more systematic standardization work. We would need champions to drive that, though...

Ivan

On Jan 17, 2012, at 16:05 , <Ora.Lassila@nokia.com> wrote:

> Ivan,
> 
> Indeed. [Sigh] If I knew of an access control mechanism that is mature and
> proven in the Linked Data context I would have made a much stronger
> statement in favor of addressing the issue. We do not want to engage in
> R&D work (we have made that mistake before ;-) but my great fear is that
> if we merely suggest that someone else will take care of this we may be
> signaling that this is not an issue of paramount importance.
> 
> I don't have any magical answers or advice here, I am merely expressing
> concern... I guess I would like there at least to be some discussion about
> this. Saying that there is no solution and saying that something is out of
> scope should, after all, not be the same thing.
> 
> 	- Ora
> 
> 
> On 2012-01-17 9:54 AM, "ext Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
> 
>> Ora,
>> 
>> I hear you. However (and that may show my complete ignorance...) is there
>> any access control mechanism out there that has already proven itself in
>> the area of Linked Data deployment that is in the maturity level of
>> standardization? I am a bit concerned about chartering this group with an
>> essentially R&D work while the other goals are much less so...
>> 
>> Ivan
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2012, at 15:47 , <Ora.Lassila@nokia.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> As much as I would like to have a "tight scope" for this WG, I have to
>>> observe that access control (or more like lack thereof) has often been a
>>> problem in Semantic Web/Linked Data projects I have been involved in.
>>> Particularly fine-grained access control of Semantic Web data.
>>> 
>>> I fear that deeming access control strictly "out of scope" and hoping
>>> that
>>> some (so far unspecified) liaison with other groups to solve this
>>> problem
>>> will only result in the issue not being seen as important enough.
>>> 
>>> My $0.02.
>>> 
>>> 	- Ora
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Dr. Ora Lassila  ora.lassila@nokia.com  http://www.lassila.org
>>> Principal Technologist, Nokia
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2012-01-17 6:25 AM, "ext Michael Hausenblas"
>>> <michael.hausenblas@deri.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> I'd suggest to improve the following section and be more explicit
>>>> regarding the bigger picture [1]:
>>>> 
>>>> [[
>>>> 2.3 Out of Scope
>>>> Several possible standards that are out of scope for this group, such
>>>> as those listed below:
>>>> 
>>>> 	€ Access control mechanisms, WebACL, Web Identity
>>>> ]]
>>>> 
>>>> Mention that both authentication and authorisation are orthogonal
>>>> issues and hence, in order to stay focused and to be successful, the
>>>> WG will not focus on these issues (but liaison with the respective
>>>> groups to ensure compatibility and openness).
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 	Michael
>>>> 
>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/wiki/WriteWebOfData
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow
>>>> LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre
>>>> DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute
>>>> NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway
>>>> Ireland, Europe
>>>> Tel. +353 91 495730
>>>> http://linkeddata.deri.ie/
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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