- From: C. M. Sperberg-McQueen <cmsmcq@blackmesatech.com>
- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:41:16 -0700
- To: public-ixml@w3.org
ixml meeting 25 January 2022
When: Tuesday 25 January 2022 15:30 UTC for 1 hour
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting+January&iso=20220125T1530
Where: Location: https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq
Minute taker: ? (the smart money is on Steven)
IRC: the meetings will be minuted on IRC at irc://irc.w3.org:6667/%23ixml
Details of W3C IRC use are at [1] and [2].
[1] https://www.w3.org/wiki/InternetRelayChat
[2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC
Previous minutes:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0126.html
https://www.w3.org/2022/01/18-ixml-minutes
AGENDA
Topic: Review of agenda
1 Review of action items
2 Pragmas proposal (continued)
3 Review and resolution of issues
# 5 comments in awkward places
# 24 accept the whole input?
- cluster of issues on conformance (20, 25, 18, 23, 21)
# 26 ambiguity
# 6 media type
# 28 schema for grammars
4 Status reports
Status of implementations
Status of testing and test suites
5 Other topics
Desiderata for schema for XML grammars
Website
Release plan
6 Next meeting
7 Any other business
Topic: Previous Actions
ACTION (2021-10-001): Steven to draft a mediatypes proposal (see
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/6). (Pending discussion.)
ACTION (2022-01-002): Steven to make empty visible in ixml grammar
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/22).
ACTION (2022-01-003): Steven to remove dstring/sstring differentiation
from grammar.
ACTION (2022-01-004): Steven to commit new draft spec.
Topic: Pragmas proposal
At the end of the meeting of 18 January it was suggested that we
focus on the syntax this week to see if we can reach agreement.
Brief summary:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0029.html
Proposal: misc/pragmas-proposal.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas-proposal.md
Background: misc/pragmas.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas.md
(This is a longer discussion of the proposal, with alternatives;
discussion of requirements, desiderata, and design principles; and
worked examples showing how processors might use the pragmas
proposal for support of various kinds of additional functionality.)
Strawman proposal from SP:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0102.html
See also (older discussions):
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0003 (pragmas)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jul/0002 (namespace decls, locality)
Bugs: For a list of all active issues, see
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/
Topic: Bugs - whitespace in ranges
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/5
Was this resolved on 18 January?
Topic: Design issue - Does ixml have to match the whole input?
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/24
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0097.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0102.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Apr/0007.html
and ensuing threads
Topic: Schema for grammars
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/28
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0009.html
Topic: Conformance issue: which grammars to accept and reject (et al.)
Several threads and open issues are relevant here:
- Accept ixml only or ixml and XML grammars?
- Are processors required to detect non-conformance in grammars?
- What constitutes non-conformance in grammars? Are some grammar
errors detectable only when exercised by the input?
- What should the spec say about other run-time errors unrelated
to the grammar and the input?
- What should the spec say about non-XML characters?
- What should the spec say about ill-formed output?
- What should the spec say about ungrammatical input?
- What should the spec say about ill-formed grammars (grammars which
are not grammatical according to the grammar for grammars?
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/20
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/25
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/18
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/23
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/21
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0072.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0073.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0077.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0028.html
Topic: Spec issue - how is ambiguity defined?
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0030.html
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/26
Topic: Media types
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/6
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0064.html
Topic: Status of implementations
Any reports?
Topic: Status of testing and test suites
Any reports?
Topic: Website
https://invisiblexml.org
https://github.com/invisibleXML/
Topic: Release plan
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Nov/0064.html
(https://www.xmlprague.cz/ says XML Prague is currently scheduled
for 9-11 June 2022.)
Topic: Next meeting
Normal date for ixml meetings is every Tuesday at 15:30 UTC
On the usual schedule, the next meeting would be Tuesday 1 February,
at 15:30 UTC for one hour.
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting&iso=20220201T1530
Topic: Any other business
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C. M. Sperberg-McQueen
Black Mesa Technologies LLC
http://blackmesatech.com
Received on Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:41:41 UTC