draft agenda for ixml community group meeting 25 January 2022

ixml meeting 25 January 2022

When:  Tuesday 25 January 2022 15:30 UTC for 1 hour
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting+January&iso=20220125T1530

Where: Location: https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq 
  
Minute taker: ? (the smart money is on Steven)

IRC: the meetings will be minuted on IRC at irc://irc.w3.org:6667/%23ixml
Details of W3C IRC use are at [1] and [2].
[1] https://www.w3.org/wiki/InternetRelayChat
[2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC

Previous minutes:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0126.html
https://www.w3.org/2022/01/18-ixml-minutes

AGENDA

Topic:  Review of agenda

    1 Review of action items
    
    2 Pragmas proposal (continued)
    
    3 Review and resolution of issues
    
	# 5 comments in awkward places
	# 24 accept the whole input?
	- cluster of issues on conformance (20, 25, 18, 23, 21)
	# 26 ambiguity
	# 6 media type
	# 28 schema for grammars
      
    4 Status reports
      Status of implementations
      Status of testing and test suites
      
    5 Other topics
      Desiderata for schema for XML grammars
      Website
      Release plan
      
    6 Next meeting
    
    7 Any other business
  
    
Topic:  Previous Actions 

ACTION (2021-10-001): Steven to draft a mediatypes proposal (see 
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/6).  (Pending discussion.)

ACTION (2022-01-002): Steven to make empty visible in ixml grammar
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/22). 

ACTION (2022-01-003): Steven to remove dstring/sstring differentiation
from grammar.

ACTION (2022-01-004): Steven to commit new draft spec.


Topic:  Pragmas proposal

    At the end of the meeting of 18 January it was suggested that we
    focus on the syntax this week to see if we can reach agreement.

    Brief summary:
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0029.html

    Proposal: misc/pragmas-proposal.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas-proposal.md

    Background: misc/pragmas.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas.md

    (This is a longer discussion of the proposal, with alternatives;
    discussion of requirements, desiderata, and design principles; and
    worked examples showing how processors might use the pragmas
    proposal for support of various kinds of additional functionality.)

    Strawman proposal from SP:
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0102.html

    See also (older discussions):

    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0003 (pragmas)
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jul/0002 (namespace decls, locality)


Bugs: For a list of all active issues, see
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/

Topic:  Bugs - whitespace in ranges

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/5

    Was this resolved on 18 January?

Topic:  Design issue - Does ixml have to match the whole input?

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/24

    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0097.html  
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0102.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Apr/0007.html
    and ensuing threads

Topic:  Schema for grammars

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/28
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0009.html


Topic: Conformance issue: which grammars to accept and reject (et al.)

    Several threads and open issues are relevant here:
    - Accept ixml only or ixml and XML grammars?
    - Are processors required to detect non-conformance in grammars?
    - What constitutes non-conformance in grammars?  Are some grammar
      errors detectable only when exercised by the input? 
    - What should the spec say about other run-time errors unrelated
      to the grammar and the input?
    - What should the spec say about non-XML characters?
    - What should the spec say about ill-formed output?
    - What should the spec say about ungrammatical input?
    - What should the spec say about ill-formed grammars (grammars which
      are not grammatical according to the grammar for grammars?

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/20
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/25
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/18
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/23
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/21
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0072.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0073.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0077.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0028.html

Topic: Spec issue - how is ambiguity defined?

    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0030.html
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/26

Topic: Media types

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/6
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0064.html

Topic: Status of implementations

    Any reports?

  
Topic: Status of testing and test suites

    Any reports?

  
Topic: Website
  
     https://invisiblexml.org
     https://github.com/invisibleXML/

Topic:  Release plan 

    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Nov/0064.html

    (https://www.xmlprague.cz/ says XML Prague is currently scheduled
    for 9-11 June 2022.)


Topic: Next meeting 

Normal date for ixml meetings is every Tuesday at 15:30 UTC

On the usual schedule, the next meeting would be Tuesday 1 February,
at 15:30 UTC for one hour.
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting&iso=20220201T1530


Topic: Any other business 

-- 
C. M. Sperberg-McQueen
Black Mesa Technologies LLC
http://blackmesatech.com

Received on Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:41:41 UTC