- From: C. M. Sperberg-McQueen <cmsmcq@blackmesatech.com>
- Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 17:00:06 -0700
- To: public-ixml@w3.org
[I have unilaterally decided that we will keep a rota for scribe duty;
the current state of the list is in the 'Next meeting' section. I'll
volunteer to scribe tomorrow, unless someone else really wants to. Then
Bethan, John, and Tom are up, in the order in which volunteering
happens.]
ixml meeting 15 February 2022
When: Tuesday 15 February 2022 15:30 UTC for 1 hour
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting+15+February&iso=20220215T1530
Where: Location: https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq
Minute taker: MSM
IRC: the meetings will be minuted on IRC at irc://irc.w3.org:6667/%23ixml
Details of W3C IRC use are at [1] and [2].
[1] https://www.w3.org/wiki/InternetRelayChat
[2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC
Previous minutes: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Feb/0133.html
https://www.w3.org/2022/02/08-ixml-minutes
AGENDA
Topic: Review of agenda
0 Identify minute-taker
1 Review of action items
2 Status reports
Status of implementations
Status of testing and test suites
3 Review and resolution of issues
# 24 accept the whole input?
# 6 media type
- cluster of issues on conformance (31, 33, 20, 25, 18, 23, 21)
# 28 schema for grammars
# 26 ambiguity
...
4 Other topics
Rota for minute-taking?
Website
Release plan
5 Next meeting (and next scribe)
6 Any other business
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Topic: Previous Actions
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ACTION (20220208-01): Tomos to make sure everyone has write access
to the repo and accept PR #32.
ACTION (20220208-02): Steven to draft a concrete proposal for the
spec, to resolve issue #24 (does ixml have to match the whole input?),
using information from the straw poll. CG to review.
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Topic: Status reports
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Topic: Status of implementations
Topic: Status of testing and test suites
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Topic: Review and resolution of bug reports and technical issues
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For all active issues, see https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/
Topic: Conformance issue: which grammars to accept and reject (et al.)
Several threads and open issues are relevant here:
- Accept ixml only or ixml and XML grammars?
- Are processors required to detect non-conformance in grammars?
- What constitutes non-conformance in grammars? Are some grammar
errors detectable only when exercised by the input?
- What should the spec say about other run-time errors unrelated
to the grammar and the input?
- What should the spec say about non-XML characters?
- What should the spec say about ill-formed output?
- What should the spec say about ungrammatical input?
- What should the spec say about ill-formed grammars (grammars which
are not grammatical according to the grammar for grammars?
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/31
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/33
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/20
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/25
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/18
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/23
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/21
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0072.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0073.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0077.html
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0028.html
Topic: Issue #28 Schema for grammars
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/28
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0009.html
Topic: Spec issue #26 - how is ambiguity defined?
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0030.html
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/26
Topic: XML, VXML, output of ixml processing
Dave Pawson asked that this be a "(hopefully brief) agenda item".
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0150.html
Topic: Terminological issues: what is an 'error'?
Is it an 'error' for the input string not to be a sentence in the
language described by the input grammar? Agenda item requested by
Dave Pawson.
See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Feb/0085.html
and the surrounding thread
Topic: Pragmas proposal (continued)
Brief summary of TM proposal:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0029.html
Proposal: misc/pragmas-proposal.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas-proposal.md
Background: misc/pragmas.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas.md
(This is a longer discussion of the proposal, with alternatives;
discussion of requirements, desiderata, and design principles; and
worked examples showing how processors might use the pragmas
proposal for support of various kinds of additional functionality.)
Strawman proposal from SP:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0102.html
Specific issue: is there a reason for pragmas to nest?
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/30
Specific issue: are the constraints on what a pragma can change or do?
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/29
See also (older discussions):
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0003 (pragmas)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jul/0002 (namespace decls, locality)
During the discussion this past week, Dave Pawson asked that the
application of pragmas to parse trees be an agenda item:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0169.html
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Topic: Other topics
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Topic: Minute-taking
Proposal: we should rotate minute-taking.
Topic: Website
https://invisiblexml.org
https://github.com/invisibleXML/
Topic: Release plan
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Topic: Next meeting
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Normal date for ixml meetings is every Tuesday at 15:30 UTC
On the usual schedule, the next meeting would be Tuesday 22 February,
at 15:30 UTC for one hour.
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting&iso=20220222T1530
Expected scribe next week: volunteers sought.
[For the record: we have regrets from SP for 8 March, from JL for 8
and 15 March.]
[For the record: the current state of the minute-taking rota is:
M Sperberg-McQueen
Bethan Tovey-Walsh
Tomos Hillman
John Lumley
Steven Pemberton 2022-01-25
Dave Pawson 2022-02-01
Norm Tovey-Walsh 2022-02-08
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Topic: Any other business
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C. M. Sperberg-McQueen
Black Mesa Technologies LLC
http://blackmesatech.com
Received on Tuesday, 15 February 2022 00:00:34 UTC