draft agenda for ixml community group meeting Tuesday 15 February 2022

[I have unilaterally decided that we will keep a rota for scribe duty;
the current state of the list is in the 'Next meeting' section.  I'll
volunteer to scribe tomorrow, unless someone else really wants to.  Then
Bethan, John, and Tom are up, in the order in which volunteering
happens.]


ixml meeting 15 February 2022

When:  Tuesday 15 February 2022 15:30 UTC for 1 hour
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting+15+February&iso=20220215T1530

Where: Location: https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq 
  
Minute taker: MSM

IRC: the meetings will be minuted on IRC at irc://irc.w3.org:6667/%23ixml
Details of W3C IRC use are at [1] and [2].
[1] https://www.w3.org/wiki/InternetRelayChat
[2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC

Previous minutes: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Feb/0133.html
https://www.w3.org/2022/02/08-ixml-minutes
  
AGENDA

Topic:  Review of agenda

    0 Identify minute-taker

    1 Review of action items
    
    2 Status reports

      Status of implementations
      Status of testing and test suites

    3 Review and resolution of issues

        # 24 accept the whole input?
	# 6 media type
	- cluster of issues on conformance (31, 33, 20, 25, 18, 23, 21)
	# 28 schema for grammars
	# 26 ambiguity
        ...

    4 Other topics

      Rota for minute-taking?
      Website
      Release plan

    5 Next meeting (and next scribe)
    
    6 Any other business


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Topic: Previous Actions
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ACTION (20220208-01): Tomos to make sure everyone has write access
to the repo and accept PR #32.

ACTION (20220208-02): Steven to draft a concrete proposal for the
spec, to resolve issue #24 (does ixml have to match the whole input?),
using information from the straw poll. CG to review.


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Topic:  Status reports
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Topic:  Status of implementations

Topic:  Status of testing and test suites


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Topic:  Review and resolution of bug reports and technical issues
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For all active issues, see https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/


Topic: Conformance issue: which grammars to accept and reject (et al.)

    Several threads and open issues are relevant here:
    - Accept ixml only or ixml and XML grammars?
    - Are processors required to detect non-conformance in grammars?
    - What constitutes non-conformance in grammars?  Are some grammar
      errors detectable only when exercised by the input? 
    - What should the spec say about other run-time errors unrelated
      to the grammar and the input?
    - What should the spec say about non-XML characters?
    - What should the spec say about ill-formed output?
    - What should the spec say about ungrammatical input?
    - What should the spec say about ill-formed grammars (grammars which
      are not grammatical according to the grammar for grammars?

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/31
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/33
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/20
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/25
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/18
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/23
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/21
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0072.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0073.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0077.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0028.html

Topic: Issue #28 Schema for grammars

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/28
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0009.html

Topic: Spec issue  #26 - how is ambiguity defined?

    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0030.html
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/26

Topic: XML, VXML, output of ixml processing

    Dave Pawson asked that this be a "(hopefully brief) agenda item".
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0150.html

Topic: Terminological issues: what is an 'error'?

    Is it an 'error' for the input string not to be a sentence in the
    language described by the input grammar?  Agenda item requested by
    Dave Pawson.

    See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Feb/0085.html
    and the surrounding thread

Topic: Pragmas proposal (continued)

    Brief summary of TM proposal:
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0029.html

    Proposal: misc/pragmas-proposal.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas-proposal.md

    Background: misc/pragmas.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas.md

    (This is a longer discussion of the proposal, with alternatives;
    discussion of requirements, desiderata, and design principles; and
    worked examples showing how processors might use the pragmas
    proposal for support of various kinds of additional functionality.)

    Strawman proposal from SP:
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0102.html

    Specific issue:  is there a reason for pragmas to nest?
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/30

    Specific issue: are the constraints on what a pragma can change or do?
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/29
    
    See also (older discussions):

    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0003 (pragmas)
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jul/0002 (namespace decls, locality)

    During the discussion this past week, Dave Pawson asked that the
    application of pragmas to parse trees be an agenda item:    
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0169.html


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Topic: Other topics
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Topic: Minute-taking

    Proposal:  we should rotate minute-taking.


Topic: Website
  
     https://invisiblexml.org
     https://github.com/invisibleXML/

Topic:  Release plan


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Topic: Next meeting
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Normal date for ixml meetings is every Tuesday at 15:30 UTC

On the usual schedule, the next meeting would be Tuesday 22 February,
at 15:30 UTC for one hour.
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting&iso=20220222T1530

Expected scribe next week:  volunteers sought.

[For the record: we have regrets from SP for 8 March, from JL for 8
and 15 March.]

[For the record: the current state of the minute-taking rota is:

  M Sperberg-McQueen
  Bethan Tovey-Walsh 
  Tomos Hillman
  John Lumley

  Steven Pemberton   2022-01-25
  Dave Pawson        2022-02-01
  Norm Tovey-Walsh   2022-02-08



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Topic: Any other business 
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-- 
C. M. Sperberg-McQueen
Black Mesa Technologies LLC
http://blackmesatech.com

Received on Tuesday, 15 February 2022 00:00:34 UTC