draft agenda for ixml community group meeting 1 February 2022

ixml meeting 1 February 2022

When:  Tuesday 1 February 2021 15:30 UTC for 1 hour
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting+February&iso=20210201T1530

Where: Location: https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq 
  
Minute taker: Dave Pawson

IRC: the meetings will be minuted on IRC at irc://irc.w3.org:6667/%23ixml
Details of W3C IRC use are at [1] and [2].
[1] https://www.w3.org/wiki/InternetRelayChat
[2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC

Previous minutes: 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0155.html
https://www.w3.org/2022/01/25-ixml-minutes

  
AGENDA

Topic:  Review of agenda

    1 Review of action items
    
    2 Pragmas proposal (continued)
    
    3 Review and resolution of bug reports and technical issues
    
	# 24 accept the whole input?
	# 28 schema for grammars
	- cluster of issues on conformance (20, 25, 18, 23, 21)
	# 26 ambiguity
	# 6 media type
      
    4 Status reports
    
      Status of implementations
      Status of testing and test suites
      
    5 Other topics
    
      Minute-taking rota
      Website
      Release plan
      
    6 Next meeting
    
    7 Any other business


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Topic: Previous Actions
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ACTION (2021-10-001): Steven to draft a mediatypes proposal (see
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/6).  (Held open pending
discussion.)


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Topic: Pragmas proposal (continued):  what are pragmas for?
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    At the end of the meeting of 25 January it was suggested that we
    focus this week on what pragmas are for, and/or what pragmas are.
    The immediate motive was to shed light on the choice of
    delimiters, but it will also be relevant to grammatical questions.

    Brief summary of TM proposal:
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0029.html

    Proposal: misc/pragmas-proposal.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas-proposal.md

    Background: misc/pragmas.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas.md

    (This is a longer discussion of the proposal, with alternatives;
    discussion of requirements, desiderata, and design principles; and
    worked examples showing how processors might use the pragmas
    proposal for support of various kinds of additional functionality.)

    Strawman proposal from SP:
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0102.html

    Specific issue:  is there a reason for pragmas to nest?
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/30

    Specific issue: are the constraints on what a pragma can change or do?
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/29
    
    See also (older discussions):

    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0003 (pragmas)
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jul/0002 (namespace decls, locality)

    During the discussion this past week, Dave Pawson asked that the
    application of pragmas to parse trees be an agenda item:    
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0169.html


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Topic:  Review and resolution of bug reports and technical issues
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Bugs: For a list of all active issues, see
https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/

Topic:  Design issue - Does ixml have to match the whole input?

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/24

    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0097.html  
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0102.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Apr/0007.html
    and ensuing threads

Topic:  Schema for grammars

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/28
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0009.html

Topic: Conformance issue: which grammars to accept and reject (et al.)

    Several threads and open issues are relevant here:
    - Accept ixml only or ixml and XML grammars?
    - Are processors required to detect non-conformance in grammars?
    - What constitutes non-conformance in grammars?  Are some grammar
      errors detectable only when exercised by the input? 
    - What should the spec say about other run-time errors unrelated
      to the grammar and the input?
    - What should the spec say about non-XML characters?
    - What should the spec say about ill-formed output?
    - What should the spec say about ungrammatical input?
    - What should the spec say about ill-formed grammars (grammars which
      are not grammatical according to the grammar for grammars?

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/20
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/25
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/18
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/23
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/21
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0072.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0073.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0077.html
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0028.html

Topic: Spec issue - how is ambiguity defined?

    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0030.html
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/26

Topic: Media types

    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/6
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0064.html

Topic: XML, VXML, output of ixml processing

    Dave Pawson asked that this be a "(hopefully brief) agenda item".
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0150.html

    Is this related to issue

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Topic: Status reports
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Topic:  Status of implementations

Topic:  Status of testing and test suite


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Topic: Other topics
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Topic: Minute-taking

    Proposal:  we should rotate minute-taking.

Topic:  Website
  
    https://invisiblexml.org
    https://github.com/invisibleXML/

Topic:  Release plan


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Topic: Next meeting 
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Normal date for ixml meetings is the second Tuesday of each month at
14:00 UTC

On the usual schedule, the next meeting would be Tuesday 8 February,
at 15:30 UTC, for one hour.
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting-October&iso=20220208T1530


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Topic: Any other business
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-- 
C. M. Sperberg-McQueen
Black Mesa Technologies LLC
http://blackmesatech.com

Received on Tuesday, 1 February 2022 00:32:24 UTC