- From: C. M. Sperberg-McQueen <cmsmcq@blackmesatech.com>
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 17:32:06 -0700
- To: public-ixml@w3.org
ixml meeting 1 February 2022 When: Tuesday 1 February 2021 15:30 UTC for 1 hour https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting+February&iso=20210201T1530 Where: Location: https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq Minute taker: Dave Pawson IRC: the meetings will be minuted on IRC at irc://irc.w3.org:6667/%23ixml Details of W3C IRC use are at [1] and [2]. [1] https://www.w3.org/wiki/InternetRelayChat [2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC Previous minutes: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0155.html https://www.w3.org/2022/01/25-ixml-minutes AGENDA Topic: Review of agenda 1 Review of action items 2 Pragmas proposal (continued) 3 Review and resolution of bug reports and technical issues # 24 accept the whole input? # 28 schema for grammars - cluster of issues on conformance (20, 25, 18, 23, 21) # 26 ambiguity # 6 media type 4 Status reports Status of implementations Status of testing and test suites 5 Other topics Minute-taking rota Website Release plan 6 Next meeting 7 Any other business **************************************************************** Topic: Previous Actions **************************************************************** ACTION (2021-10-001): Steven to draft a mediatypes proposal (see https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/6). (Held open pending discussion.) **************************************************************** Topic: Pragmas proposal (continued): what are pragmas for? **************************************************************** At the end of the meeting of 25 January it was suggested that we focus this week on what pragmas are for, and/or what pragmas are. The immediate motive was to shed light on the choice of delimiters, but it will also be relevant to grammatical questions. Brief summary of TM proposal: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0029.html Proposal: misc/pragmas-proposal.md in proposal-pragmas branch: https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas-proposal.md Background: misc/pragmas.md in proposal-pragmas branch: https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas.md (This is a longer discussion of the proposal, with alternatives; discussion of requirements, desiderata, and design principles; and worked examples showing how processors might use the pragmas proposal for support of various kinds of additional functionality.) Strawman proposal from SP: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0102.html Specific issue: is there a reason for pragmas to nest? https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/30 Specific issue: are the constraints on what a pragma can change or do? https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/29 See also (older discussions): https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0003 (pragmas) https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jul/0002 (namespace decls, locality) During the discussion this past week, Dave Pawson asked that the application of pragmas to parse trees be an agenda item: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0169.html **************************************************************** Topic: Review and resolution of bug reports and technical issues **************************************************************** Bugs: For a list of all active issues, see https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/ Topic: Design issue - Does ixml have to match the whole input? https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/24 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0097.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0102.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Apr/0007.html and ensuing threads Topic: Schema for grammars https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/28 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0009.html Topic: Conformance issue: which grammars to accept and reject (et al.) Several threads and open issues are relevant here: - Accept ixml only or ixml and XML grammars? - Are processors required to detect non-conformance in grammars? - What constitutes non-conformance in grammars? Are some grammar errors detectable only when exercised by the input? - What should the spec say about other run-time errors unrelated to the grammar and the input? - What should the spec say about non-XML characters? - What should the spec say about ill-formed output? - What should the spec say about ungrammatical input? - What should the spec say about ill-formed grammars (grammars which are not grammatical according to the grammar for grammars? https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/20 https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/25 https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/18 https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/23 https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/21 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0072.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0073.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0077.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0028.html Topic: Spec issue - how is ambiguity defined? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0030.html https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/26 Topic: Media types https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/6 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0064.html Topic: XML, VXML, output of ixml processing Dave Pawson asked that this be a "(hopefully brief) agenda item". https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0150.html Is this related to issue ****************************************************************( Topic: Status reports **************************************************************** Topic: Status of implementations Topic: Status of testing and test suite ****************************************************************( Topic: Other topics **************************************************************** Topic: Minute-taking Proposal: we should rotate minute-taking. Topic: Website https://invisiblexml.org https://github.com/invisibleXML/ Topic: Release plan ****************************************************************( Topic: Next meeting **************************************************************** Normal date for ixml meetings is the second Tuesday of each month at 14:00 UTC On the usual schedule, the next meeting would be Tuesday 8 February, at 15:30 UTC, for one hour. https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting-October&iso=20220208T1530 **************************************************************** Topic: Any other business **************************************************************** -- C. M. Sperberg-McQueen Black Mesa Technologies LLC http://blackmesatech.com
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