- From: Jacob Ninan <jacob_kn@yahoo.com>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 09:46:21 +0000 (UTC)
- To: Lucas Huber <lh@codoo.io>, Evan Schwartz <evan@ripple.com>
- Cc: " Javier (ISBANUK)Romero" <Javier.RomeroColomo@isbanuk.com>, Enrique Arizon Benito <enrique.arizon.benito@everis.com>, "public-interledger@w3.org" <public-interledger@w3.org>
Hi Guys,
Are there some Reference Implementations which we can study for more information?
Thanks,
Jacob
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On Sat, 7/23/16, Evan Schwartz <evan@ripple.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: newcomer "random" doubts about ILP
To: "Lucas Huber" <lh@codoo.io>
Cc: "Romero, Javier (ISBANUK)" <Javier.RomeroColomo@isbanuk.com>, "Enrique Arizon Benito" <enrique.arizon.benito@everis.com>, "public-interledger@w3.org" <public-interledger@w3.org>
Date: Saturday, July 23, 2016, 3:45 PM
Hi
Enrique,
Great
questions. DOUBT: By reading the available
docs/RFC, looks to me that the use of the JSON+REST
protocols are enforced by the ILP/SPSP/ITP/..
protocol/s.
Reuse of any existing transport/communication
protocol/s, between client and servers is not
contemplated.
Lucas is correct. To integrate an
existing system you would probably want to have a backend
service that sends and receives ILP payments. You could have
any communication protocol you want between the client and
server.
DOUBT: Does this use-case
[integrating payouts to external networks] makes sense
within the current ILP protocol?
Sure,
why not? I think we'll end up seeing higher level
protocols built on ILP that resolve some kind of
human-friendly names into ILP addresses. I would want the
user experience where I don't even have a drop-down of
places I can send to. Instead, I just type in who I want to
send money to and it just works.
DOUBT: The server used to
process the client/wallet SPSP requests (Discovery, Query,
Quoting, Setup) can be isolated from the ledger?
Looks to me that only the
information in the Setup stage must "arrive" to
the ledger.
Correct, SPSP is not part of ILP and
that server is distinct from the ledger.
DOUBT: Is there any error handling
predefined strategy?
for example, all messages from the ledger to the
connector must check first if the response contains
payload or exception.
DOUBT: Does/will the protocol define a set of predefined
exceptions from server to server in case of connector
internal error ?
Error handling across the path of
connectors is one of the areas where there is more work to
be done. We have some ideas how it will happen but they
aren't fully fleshed out or documented yet. There's
an issue
here about that.
DOUBT: Can the
five-bells-wallet/five-bells-connector and related tests be
reused while developing a new java-testing-ledger or would
it be any technical issues?
With a little bit of modification
you could probably drop a different implementation of the
ledger into the integration
tests. The unit tests for the five-bells-ledger are
currently coupled with that implementation. However, we have
talked about having a kind of "recommended" ledger
API that would look something like the five-bells-ledger
API. If we do that it would be useful to have a test suite
that is decoupled from the implementation, but we
haven't gotten to working on that yet.
Hope that
helps,Evan
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at
11:56 AM, Lucas Huber <lh@codoo.io>
wrote:
Enrique I think you can reduce a lot of your doubts, if you
limit the usecase for an implementation to a ledger to
ledger communication. If you start to look at ILP for
wallets/clients and apps I would express similar doubts as
you have.
Lucas
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Am 23. Juli 2016 10:23:35
MESZ, schrieb "Romero, Javier (ISBANUK)" <Javier.RomeroColomo@isbanuk.com>:
imho...
You are always
going to need some sort of plugin to 'connect'
legacy systems to the 'protocol'.
These could be JSON/RPC as far as ILP is
concern but could communicate as you like internally.
I think, correct me guys if I
am wrong, what's important here is the protocol
itself.
There are a few proposed demo's
and reference implementations as a starting point but each
developer would have to adapt them to their needs as long as
the protocol is respected.
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22 Jul 2016, at 21:40, Enrique Arizon Benito <enrique.arizon.benito@everis..com>
wrote:
Hi all,
I'm new to Interledger.
I just got a first look at the RFC and the five-bells
demo.
Some doubts arise
after reading the docs. I post then next. Fell free to
answer if you consider it worth the effort, ignore
them or request for more details.
Some previous context:
-
I'm interested in the possibility to create an interface
connecting existing ledger systems ("banks") with
any other ledger/payment system/blockchain technology that
accepts the ILP protocol.
In practice that
means implementing a set of JAVA APIs/libraries/servers to
"automate" the integration bank <-> ILP
connector, front-end <-> bank, ...
-
For development/testing purposes I was thinking to develop a
keep-it-simple-and-stupid in-memory ledger/database
and implement around it the different
interfaces to interact with the ledger client
("wallet") and the ILP connector.
My doubts come next:
* ABOUT THE CLIENT
WALLET:
- Ussually the
ledger (bank) o payment network (paypal, crypto-currency
bloc-chain, ...) already has one or more UI front-ends
(HTML5, Mobile App, telephone channel, bitcoin-wallet, ...
).
For example in
the case of a "normal" bank it could be a MVC
architecture, with an already established communication
protocol/s (XML, JSON, RMI, REST, SOAP...) and an
intermediate application server (JEE, ...) with users
connecting through their web browsers/mobile clients.
Let's suppose now
that we want to add to my already existing apps the
functionality for a ILP compliant wallet:
DOUBT: By reading the available
docs/RFC, looks to me that the use of the JSON+REST
protocols are enforced by the ILP/SPSP/ITP/.. protocol/s.
Reuse of any existing
transport/communication protocol/s, between client and
servers is not contemplated.
- Suppose a bank already
offers an mobile app for final users to simplify payments to
other internal/external bank accounts. Now I would like to
reuse such app to allow final users to pay to external
payment networks like Paypal, Ripple, Bitcoin, ...(supposing
such networks already offer ILP connector
support).
The user
interface will offer the option to pay to:
- Internal bank account
-
External bank account
- ILP URI
account (receiver)
- ...
DOUBT: Does this use-case
makes sense within the current ILP protocol?
* ABOUT THE SPSP PROTOCOL:
-
As I understand it, the SPSP protocol is used to fetch the
previous INPUT (payment details, crypto-conditions, ILP
connector path) to the ILP protocol, but is not part of the
ILP protocol itself.
DOUBT: The server used to process the client/wallet SPSP
requests (Discovery, Query, Quoting, Setup) can be isolated
from the ledger?
Looks to me that only
the information in the Setup stage must "arrive"
to the ledger.
* ABOUT ERROR HANDLING:
DOUBT: Is there any error
handling predefined strategy?
for
example, all messages from the ledger to the
connector must check first if the response contains payload
or exception.
DOUBT:
Does/will the protocol define a set of predefined exceptions
from server to server in case of connector internal error
?
* ABOUT DEVELOPMENT:
I observed that many work has already been
done in the five-ledger demo to test the correct behavior.
(five-bells-*/test/*).
I'm wondering
what will be the easier path to start implementing the
five-bells-ledger equivalent in java
DOUBT: Can the
five-bells-wallet/five-bells-connector and related tests be
reused while developing a new java-testing-ledger or would
it be any technical issues?
Best Regards,
Enrique Arizón Benito
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