Draft minutes: 11 July 2012

The draft minutes from the July 11 call are in the following and copied 
below:

<http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html>

TF Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send 
them to the public-indie-ui mail list before July 25 (the date of the 
next call).

-Thanks, AB

    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                - DRAFT -

                        IndieUI Task Force telecon

11 Jul 2012

    [2]Agenda

       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Jul/0006.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-irc

Attendees

    Present
           James_Craig, Andy_Heath, Joseph_Scheuhammer,
           Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Art_Barstow, Doug_Schepers,
           Michael_Cooper

    Regrets
    Chair
           Janina_Sajka

    Scribe
           ArtB

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Admin
          2. [6]Work Statement
          3. [7]TPAC
          4. [8]Recruiting Update
          5. [9]Conference Call Time
          6. [10]Events Module from Apple
          7. [11]Use Cases Proposal
          8. [12]User Preferences Proposal
          9. [13]Be Done
      * [14]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

    <MichaelC> chair: Janina_Sajka

    <scribe> Scribe: ArtB

    <andy> its a technical term

    <scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

Admin

    JS: is trackbot ready?

    MC: still working on it

    … also working on hg repo

    MC: we are waiting for submissions

    … the call was made

    … have received some input re UCs

    JS: July 15 is the deadline for proposals

    … James, what's the status of your doc?

    [ JC dropped off ]

    MC: James put a version in the PF space

    … not sure if that becomes an ED for this TF

    JC: waiting for respec conversion

    … we should use that version

    MC: the respec conversion isn't complete

    <andy> zakim unmute Andy

    MC: given the CfP, not clear if we should wait until the
    proposal deadline

    … or start with James' input now

    MC: I think the ED should be a consensus version

    … I could put a copy of James' doc in the wiki

    <andy> what's the syntax for unmute pls ?

    DS: I tend to think EDs may not necessarily reflect consensus
    of the group

    … and consensus is for TR versions

    <andy> ty

    … I suggest we start with an ED with some substance

    JS: we have a proposal but no consensus yet

    … what I hear is we can put the proposal in the ED now and mark
    it as such

    … and state it doesn't reflect consensus

    MC: we need one ED

    … and proposals get put into the wiki

    … not clear how we manage multiple versions

    DS: can use tags, etc.

    RS: expect multiple specs

    JS: yes, agree we have at least two specs

    AB: I think we should just agree that James' proposal becomes
    the ED

    DS: agree

    RS: that's ok with me

    MC: some of James' spec has Events and some is Context

    … I could just put the events part in the Events ED

    <janina> Art, that was James Craig

    [ James and Michael talked about how to manage the source code
    for the Events spec … ]

    MC: respec has some challenges re versions

    JC: I'm willing to review what you have Michael

    DS: not sure I understand the version issues

    … the doc just needs to clearly state the status

    MC: my pref is to use the wiki for docs that don't have
    consensus

    DS: I expect each Editor to handle the source control work

    <jcraig> s/I understand the version issues/I understand the
    reluctance to commit a draft that is clearly marked as draft
    w/o group consensus/

    JS: I think Doug can help us manage this

    <scribe> ACTION: Michael post the Apple proposals into the
    source code repo [recorded in
    [15]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action01
    ]

    <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

    ack

Work Statement

    JS: please see the Work Statement Call for Consensus

    and reply by July 18 at the latest

    AB: looks OK to me!

TPAC

    JS: we set aside time for us at TPAC

    … Thursday and Friday that week

    JS: there may be a meeting just for Indie UI WG members

    … and not necessarily include people in this TF

    … the Indie UI WG may need to have some meetings

Recruiting Update

    JS: anything we are waiting for?

    … we got a new member today (University of Manchester)

    … how about Mozilla?

    AB: last I heard they were interested but had not indentified a
    specific person

    JC: anyone from Google on this call?

    [ silence ]

    JS: would be good to get Mozilla

    <scribe> ACTION: ArtB follow-up with Mozilla re joining the
    Indie UI TF [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action02
    ]

    <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

Conference Call Time

    JS: we have folks in Asia that want to join our calls

    … we can have a poll

    … although we know there will always be some pain for someone

    [ Janina educates Doug about the world being round ;-) ]

    JS: anything else re recruiting?

    JC: please include timezone in the poll

    … we need to be careful about changing the time for 1-2 people
    especially if they aren't regular participants

    … would be willing to do a rotating time

    … f.ex. once per month

    <jcraig> or on a case-by-case basis

    <clown> Zakim. ack me

    clown: I need to follow up with some people

    DS: I think we can expect more participants once we have an ED
    to share/show

    … it's amazing how an ED can be used to get feedback ;-)

    <scribe> ACTION: janina create a poll for voice conference time
    + day of week [recorded in
    [17]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action03
    ]

    <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

Events Module from Apple

    JS: James gave a preso during the last call

    … any followups?

    [ silence ]

Use Cases Proposal

    JS: anything to discuss re Use Cases

    … some inputs from at least Rich

    … and questions, concerns, etc?

    DS: Rich and I talked about UCs and Requirements

    RS: I've contributed quite a few

    … there are about 30 UCs now

    DS: the UCs are good for discussion

    … especially to start a conversation

    JS: yes, everyone has an action to read the UCs

    … and submit comments

    … be able to point to the UCs when we talk outside of the TF

User Preferences Proposal

    RS: I am preparing a doc now

    … there is a lot going on in this space

    … the Education space is doing some lead work

    … Access for All is a collection of specs

    … one defines User Prefs

    … and another is Personal Prefs

    … want to match content to user prefs

    … APIP

    <jcraig> [18]http://www.imsglobal.org/apip/index.html

      [18] http://www.imsglobal.org/apip/index.html

    [ missed what APIP stands for ]

    <jcraig> Accessible Portable Item Protocol (APIP)

    RS: some tech terms get missed by voice recognizers

    … Libraries, Teachers using this work

    JS: Access for All starts in Canada

    RS: Global * is using A4All work

    … using device capabilities

    … need a vocab

    … and let web app know when a feature changes

    … For example, a room gets noisy and the Web app will then
    automatically turn on captions

    RS: I want to get everyone familiar with these 3 areas

    JS: IMS is helping here

    Andy: Instructional Management Systems

    RS: they do content packaging for learning modules

    Andy: GPII

    … ISO has done relevant work here too

    … this is a large space so getting info into an ED is
    non-trivial

    <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to mention we'll probably need an
    event for "user preference change"

    JC: re coordination between the two specs

    … there may be something about font changes

    Andy: this is not just education sector

    … it's just that this technology is needed in that sector

    … expect this to be applicable outside of education

    JS: yes, agree. Historically, there were national requirements
    for education.

    <jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to verify drafts cover a way for web
    apps to be notified when user pref changes (e.g. font size,
    enabling captions) based on explicit user action or UA
    heuristics like ambient noise level changes, either an event
    and/or a method. [recorded in
    [19]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action04
    ]

    <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

    RS: Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure

    <shepazu>
    [20]http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Focus_and_Point_of_Regar
    d

      [20] http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Focus_and_Point_of_Regard

    DS: re Point of Regard, I put some info in the above wiki

    … got definitions from a few places

    … PoR definitions are descriptive and not functional

    … Need functional definition for UAs like browsers

    … Think this could be important to clarify the definitions

    … This PoR wiki is a place holder for now

    … but would like some feedback about a functional definition of
    PoR

    … For example, PoR could mention focus

    Clown: great idea

    RS: please post to the list when you have something for us to
    review

    DS: ok; will do

    <scribe> ACTION: doug notify the list when the PoR wiki is
    ready for review [recorded in
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action05
    ]

    <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

    DS: curious about the term PoR versus Regard or Regard Point

    Clown: screen readers use "cursor"

Be Done

    JS: next call is July 25

    … same time

    <scribe> Chair: Janina

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: ArtB follow-up with Mozilla re joining the Indie
    UI TF [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action02
    ]
    [NEW] ACTION: doug notify the list when the PoR wiki is ready
    for review [recorded in
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action05
    ]
    [NEW] ACTION: janina create a poll for voice conference time +
    day of week [recorded in
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action03
    ]
    [NEW] ACTION: jcraig to verify drafts cover a way for web apps
    to be notified when user pref changes (e.g. font size, enabling
    captions) based on explicit user action or UA heuristics like
    ambient noise level changes, either an event and/or a method.
    [recorded in
    [25]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action04
    ]
    [NEW] ACTION: Michael post the Apple proposals into the source
    code repo [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-indie-ui-minutes.html#action01
    ]

    [End of minutes]

Received on Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:06:09 UTC