Re: Where should CG work go?

On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Bob Lund <B.Lund@cablelabs.com> wrote:
>
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> On 3/9/14, 11:54 PM, "Silvia Pfeiffer" <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>><silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:54 AM, Bob Lund <B.Lund@cablelabs.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi CG,
>>>>
>>>> The Wiki table for video/audio track [1] defines how to determine
>>>>'kind' for
>>>> MPEG-2 TS video and audio streams. We can create similar tables for the
>>>> other containers of interest: MP4 ISOBMFF, DASH, WebM and Ogg. The
>>>>HTML CR
>>>> has a table describing what the UA should return for video.kind and
>>>> audio.kind [2]. So it would seem that we should add the examples for
>>>>[1] to
>>>> [2].
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>>
>>>> [1] also defines how to set the language and id attributes for MPEG-2
>>>>TS
>>>> (and other formats in the future). Should this information also be
>>>>added to
>>>> [2], perhaps in a similar table to what exists?
>>>
>>> Yes, I think the HTML spec should have similar tables as for the @kind
>>> attribute also for @id, @language and @label for all the media formats
>>> that UAs support. Note that some of that information is already
>>> available on our wiki page
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/inbandtracks/wiki/Main_Page but needs to
>>> be formulated as a table (as you have done for "text kind table").
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Wiki has a table for text tracks [3] and text track cue [4]
>>>>creation.
>>>> This could be added to the HTML5 spec in the text track section.
>>>
>>> Yes, I think those are good ideas.
>>>
>>>> What do you think about adding this information to the HTML
>>>>recommendation?
>>>> The alternative would be another recommendation that is referenced by
>>>>the
>>>> HTML rec. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> No, the HTML spec is the right place for it.
>>>
>>> I would recommend registering a bug for every section that needs
>>> updating and every attribute.
>>>
>>> So, a bug each for:
>>>
>>>
>>>https://www.w3.org/community/inbandtracks/wiki/Main_Page#Audio_and_video_
>>>kind_table
>>>
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/inbandtracks/wiki/Main_Page#Text_kind_table
>>> (this needs updating with information from other formats)
>>
>>Oops, and of course one for
>>https://www.w3.org/community/inbandtracks/wiki/Main_Page#Exposing_a_Media_
>>Resource_Specific_TextTrack
>>.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>https://www.w3.org/community/inbandtracks/wiki/Main_Page#Guidelines_for_c
>>>reating_metadata_text_track_cues
>>> (here, I would add a change to step 2 of the algorithm, too, to add a
>>> table to explain how id, language and kind are determined)
>>
>>Note that this one is an interesting one, since FAIK we don't really
>>have a use case for this right now (as noted in the other thread that
>>I just replied to).
>
> Do you mean use cases for adding the guideline for creating MPEG-2 TS text
> track cues? If so, there are use cases being implemented for DLNA HTML5:
> subtitles not rendered by the UA, region rating tables (parental
> controls), enhanced TV signaling, ad insertion.

Right. Assuming these are metadata pieces of information that change
over the duration of a video/audio file, they indeed sound like
DataCues and a @kind=metadata track for each of these are the best
solution.

Cheers,
Silvia.

Received on Wednesday, 12 March 2014 11:11:35 UTC