Re: AR Web

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:54 PM Josh Carpenter <joshcarpenter@google.com>
wrote:

> You might find those links I posted in my initial response interesting,
> John. I was for a while very enamored with the idea of being able to break
> page layouts into compositions in 3D space by leveraging CSS 3D transforms.
> At Moz and Google we built some prototypes that, to my satisfaction at
> least, demonstrated that the approach was easy for a relatively experienced
> web designer/dev to work with, and surprisingly compelling/fun. Turn a
> Vimeo video into a 60 ft screen in VR with a few lines of CSS :) The
> framework that Diego Marcos and team built to help enable to experiments at
> Moz was actually a forerunner of A-Frame in some ways. But more recently,
> based on cumulative discussions with browser engine people, we’ve come to
> believe that approach would be extremely hard to make work in existing
> engines, at web scale, and that the much better place to start is
> composable models in 2D compositions. That’s not to say the dream of HTML
> elements in 3D space is dead, but more back burnered, at least in my team’s
> thinking.
>

Is it HTML elements in VR that is dead, or decomposable content in a
regular web page? (or both?)

I can see that bringing HTML in VR would have a lot of landmines around
security and privacy but decomposable content should not be affected.

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:30 PM John D. Gwinner <john@gwinner.org> wrote:
>
>> >>Is there a group that is currently working on extending regular web
>> pages with 3D content?<<
>>
>>
>> I had an idea a while ago about extending Wordpress pages into 3D
>> objects; sort of "spreading" the page around in 3D space, but that's about
>> all I've done so far. It would suddenly inject a lot of default content
>> into the world. Sort of a "Minority Report" API (how I explain it to
>> Hollywood types).
>>
>>
>> I had a (traditional) publisher that wanted me to cover WordPress
>> alongside A-Frame and React in my second book (I wrote the book "Getting
>> Started with React VR[now 360]", but the acquisition editor insisted on
>> WordPress being covered in the second VR book "because it was another one
>> of the larger web API's."
>>
>>
>> It did get me to thinking ... there could be something to that.
>>
>>
>> == John ==
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Rik Cabanier <rcabanier@magicleap.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2018 3:23 PM
>> *To:* public-immersive-web@w3.org
>> *Subject:* AR Web
>>
>> All,
>>
>> last week at Magic Leap we released our browser Helio.
>> You can find an overview here:
>> https://www.magicleap.com/experiences/helio
>>
>> As part of its feature set, we created a set of extensions that allows
>> authors to create and manipulate 3D objects such as animated models and
>> textures. It also allows extraction so content can be pulled out of the
>> browser and placed in the user's environment.
>> To make development easy, we created a library called "Prismatic" that
>> provides a simple declarative syntax.
>>
>> We'd like to iterate on our current approach with others vendors and work
>> towards an open standard that works on 2D, AR and VR devices.
>> I looked at the current community and working groups but couldn't find
>> one that covers our current use case.
>>
>> My questions are:
>> - Is there a group that is currently working on extending regular web
>> pages with 3D content?
>> - If not, is anyone interested in working with us on this?
>>
>> Please let me know if you want more details on our current
>> implementation. I'm happy to explain.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Rik
>>
> --
> Josh Carpenter
> UX Lead, WebVR/AR
> Google
>