Re: [minutes] iip telecon 2019-07-22

Thanks Atsushi san for sending these minutes out.
Best,
Alolita




On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 8:46 PM Atsushi Shimono (W3C Team) <atsushi@w3.org>
wrote:

> https://www.w3.org/2019/07/22-ilreq-minutes.html
>
>
>     [1]W3C
>
>        [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
>                                 - DRAFT -
>
>                                IIP telecon
>
> 21 Jul 2019
>
>     [2]Agenda
>
>        [2]
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-iip-admin/2019JulSep/0003.html
>
> Attendees
>
>     Present
>            Alolita, Vivek, Muthu, atsushi
>
>     Regrets
>            Abhijit, r12a
>
>     Chair
>            Alolita
>
>     Scribe
>            atsushi
>
> Contents
>
>       * [3]Topics
>           1. [4]fonts supports for tamil on browser
>           2. [5]section 3.6
>           3. [6]section 3.7
>           4. [7]closing and next
>       * [8]Summary of Action Items
>       * [9]Summary of Resolutions
>       __________________________________________________________
>
>     <alolita>
>     [10]https://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matr
>     ix.html
>
>       [10]
> https://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix.html
>
>     <alolita> Taml
>
>     <vivek>
>     [11]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/wiki/Analysing-support-
>     for-text-layout-on-the-Web
>
>       [11]
> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/wiki/Analysing-support-for-text-layout-on-the-Web
>
>     <Muthu> Tamil Sangam MN
>
>     <Muthu> Nirmala UI
>
>     <Muthu> Tamil MN
>
>     <inserted> scribe: atsushi
>
> fonts supports for tamil on browser
>
>     (trying to scribe, but not fully catching/understanding
>     discussions...)
>
>     <Muthu> We can hear you Vivek
>
>     vivek: we created opentype rendering software, still opentype
>     based
>
>     alolita: adding it to 3.4, on glyph shaping
>     ... every font engineer need AAT on opentype, do you feel it
>     makes font grue better
>
>     Muthu: AAT gives a lot of control
>     ... both opentype and AAT, you can do shaping on both, and
>     interoperatable
>     ... if you want to render indic fonts, and going through this
>     library, shaping will be performed even for opentype
>
>     vivek: exact same suggestion was put from @@@ in the past,
>
>     muthu: now we are discussing how to include shaping onto font
>
>     alolita: it not a kind of type layout, not unicode
>     ... that spec is not like a spec, shaping tric
>     ... this is a gray area between typesetting and shaping, not
>     issue in unicode nor encoding
>
>     muthu: missing gap, all items are for display, but we need to
>     be editable
>     ... because of conbining, editing is another big issue
>     ... between two clusters, and if you delete wihtin, it is a big
>     problem
>
>     alolita: in points of this layout spec, would note behavior of
>     editing to be included into spec (???)
>
>     vivek: if you want to read document, before that the document
>     need to be created, so editing is also important
>
>     muthu: issue on editing is included in current document is a
>     question
>
> section 3.6
>
>     all: agreed not applicable
>
> section 3.7
>
>     alolita: discussion we had before, we did breakdown and added
>     subsections
>     ... double/triple click selection
>
>     vivek: click selection is only for display, you may want to
>     move cursor also or drug by mouse
>     ... mouse selection is also two way, clicking and drug over
>
>     muthu: by both, we should be possible to do the same thing
>
>     alolita: fall selection by grapheme is a question
>
>     muthu: is there a need of select by cluster?
>
>     alolita: why not.
>
>     vivek: usually what happen, you end up to select cluster but
>     not one character, for joining ones
>     ... by adding control, you can select one character by one, but
>     not usual
>
>     alolita: you should be able to select the entire graphme
>     cluster
>
>     vivek: mostly its base and @@@2
>
>     alolita: only two exceptions
>
> closing and next
>
>     <vivek> Looks like we have had a super useful discussion today!
>
>     <alolita> excellent discussion - we covered a fair bit
>
>     <alolita> Atsushi san - thank you for the minutes
>
>     <alolita> bye
>
>     <alolita> quit
>
>     Alolita: will send out schedule call email; next call is next
>     week (Jul 29)
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
> Summary of Resolutions
>
>     [End of minutes]
>
>