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RE: QQIR or GQIR

From: Greg Eck <greck@postone.net>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:46:59 +0000
To: Erdenechimeg Myatav <erdeely@gmail.com>
CC: "public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org" <public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org>
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Hi Erdenechimeg,

If this word is in current use in Mongolian and not just a loan word used for ancient items, then it sounds like we have a basis for the new FVS2 assignment - 182C+FVS2+ZWJ. The dictionaries show a wide range of inflection and not just a one-off usage. Thank you for the time taken to gather the data.

Other’s thoughts …

Greg


From: Erdenechimeg Myatav [mailto:erdeely@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 10:16 PM
To: Greg Eck <greck@postone.net>
Cc: public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org
Subject: Re: QQIR or GQIR

Hi Greg,

Those examples are listed in “Хи” <U+182C> letter in Mongolian language dictionaries in Mongolia. I think most users who talk and write Mongolian every day would logically and automatically type  “ххи...” <U+182C><U+182C><U+1822><…>, not  “гхи...” <U+182D><U+182C><U+1822><…> or AliGali KA <U+1889><U+182C><U+1822><…> - I think both of those make it much more confusing for Unicode and font developers and for native users. I attached 3 different dictionary pages where those words are included.

Best Wishes,
Erdenechimeg

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Greg Eck <greck@postone.net<mailto:greck@postone.net>> wrote:
Dear friends,

I have had some good discussion with Husele of MenkhSoft and Professor Quenjingzhabu on one of our items of discussion - the QQIR initially brought into the forum by Erndenechimeg.

The question has been raised as you can read through the correspondence attached, as to whether the initial loop is U+182C-Q or U+182D-G. Professor Quejingzhabu states emphatically that it cannot be a QA, but as the precedent has always been a GA, that it must be GXIR. Can we have some discussion on this? Could this word actually be GXIR instead of QQIR. We have only one attested form of the third form of the initial 182C. Even if say that it is a "q" sound" maybe we concede to write it with the AliGali U+1889-K instead of making a completely new FVS2 assignment as 182C+FVS2+ZWJ.

What are your thoughts?

Greg

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