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Re: Two Final Threads - Diphthongs / Final glyph checks

From: Badral S. <badral@bolorsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 14:25:39 +0100
To: jrmt@almas.co.jp, public-i18n-mongolian@w3.org
Message-ID: <563B58D3.6050606@bolorsoft.com>
Hi Jirimutu,
On 05.11.2015 01:41, jrmt@almas.co.jp wrote:
>
> Hi Badral,
>
> >In this document ai, ei, oi, ui etc. are defined as spoken language 
> spelling and ayi, eyi, oyi, uyi etc. are defined written language 
> spelling. It is totally true.
>
> Thanks a lot. we have consense on this point.
>
Personally, I (as a technical guy) always vote for simple and user 
friendly variants. But the linguists are totally difficult people. I 
think, we are by now still in shadow side, because they will complain to 
hold written language spelling to write. It's also logical and true from 
the linguistic, historical, cultural and anthropological point of views 
but just not for technical and UX sides.
Currently, I am again spoilt for choice which should be marked as 
correct in spell checker software. But it's probably another level of 
discussion.
>
> >I don't understand, what did you mean as follows.
> >>But the the yi in the medial should encode as  <U+1836, FVS1> if use 
> *yi, could not use any contextual condition to derive from default form.
> >We already solved all diphthongs with CALT rules. (without FVSs)
>
>
> Yes. I was wandering that you or others solved the diphthongs with 
> CALT rules without FVSs.
>
> It is the strongest disagreement point of us from the begining of this 
> discussion.
>
> The reason is for example,
>
> If you encode the word ᠰᠠᠢᠬᠠᠨ(SAIQAN) 
> <U+1830><U+1820><U+1836><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>, while we 
> encodeᠰᠠᠢᠬᠠᠨas <U+1830><U+1820><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>,
>
> how do you encodeᠰᠠᠶ᠋ᠢᠬᠠᠨ(SAYIQAN)  ? do you go back to encode it 
> as<U+1830><U+1820><U+1836, FVS1><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>.
>
> It is nonsensble or self-deceivingway in the some meaning.
>
> We are absolutely insist to encode the word ᠰᠠᠶ᠋ᠢᠬᠠᠨ(SAYIQAN) as 
> <U+1830><U+1820><U+1836><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>.
>
> It is more sensable, natural, logitic and widely acceptable encoding 
> method thich is our main purpose for this thread.
>
> There are a lot of this kind of words using regular medial YI in the 
> Mongolian as Siqin committed the list in the Past.
>
> I would like to ask you to recheck if my explanition is correct or 
> incorrect ?
>
Correct.
We used FVS3 for this kind of words because such occurrences are very 
rare. Certainly, it's not optimal and to be regulated now, while we have 
accepted to support both variants. I think, it is exactly a case of our 
overriding. Thus, we should use FVS2 for harmonisation or?

Badral

> Our target is not only ask all members to allow us to use ai, ei, oi, 
> ui, oei, uei etc,
>
> but also we have to reach the aggreement on  not using FVSs for the 
> regularly used form of U+1836_Y and U+1838_W, the default medial form 
> http://r12a.github.io/scripts/mongolian/v/1836i.pngand 
> http://r12a.github.io/scripts/mongolian/v/1838i.png.
>
> In the document from Inner Mongolia Educational Publishing House have 
> following sentance in Paragraph #5 means that we should encode the 
> regular used and accepted medial form 
> http://r12a.github.io/scripts/mongolian/v/1836i.pngand 
> http://r12a.github.io/scripts/mongolian/v/1838i.pngas default and 
> without FVSs.
>
> Thanks and Best Regards,
>
> Jirimutu
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