- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 01:11:14 +0900
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Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS WG
7 Feb 2007
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0097.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Christian, Felix, Jirka, Sebastian, Yves
Regrets
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]preparation of the draft
3. [7]open issues
4. [8]f2f
5. [9]AOB
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
action items
<scribe> ACTION: Editors to add the paragraph on "appendix D
(Schemas for ITS)" to appendix D excluding the last sentence. (DONE)
[recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
action; Editors to make all editorial changes of proposal in
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
044.html (that's the its:version vs version issue). (DONE)
[12]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.html
<scribe> ACTION: Editors to make all editorial changes of proposal
in
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
044.html (that's the its:version vs version issue). (DONE) [recorded
in [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[13]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.html
<scribe> ACTION: Editors to integrate
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
061.html into the draft (that's the NVDL appendix). (DONE [recorded
in [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[15]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0061.html
<scribe> ACTION: Editors to make text change described in thread
ending at
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
058.html (DONE) [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[17]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0058.html
<scribe> ACTION: Editors to make the change on appendix E mentioned
at
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
052.html (That's schematron's reference) (DONE) [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[19]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to change the ODD definitions by copying the
attributes in ITS span without a namespace (DONE) [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to make the generation of the test report
automatically (DONE) [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
<scribe> ACTION: Editors to modify one paragraph saying that version
attribute should not be prefixed at its:rules element. Modify the
schema to reflect this. (DONE) [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
<scribe> ACTION: Yes/Felix to modify the samples and the test data
to reflect the version attribute change (DONE) [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to fix all errors in test files reported by
Jirka Done (DONE) [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
Yves: Jirka, I'll send the files to Jirka later, can you check this
week?
Sebastian: did anybody validate the test files against the schema?
nobody did
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to send the test suite files to Jirka, Jirka
to validate them [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to fix example
[27]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRe
fPointer-attribute-1.xml (DONE) [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]
[27]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRefPointer-attribute-1.xml
Sebastian: I have a change for one test file to do
Yves: please commit it to CVS today, so I can send everything to
Jirak
<scribe> ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are
no "CSS style elements" or the like. (DONE) [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action13]
<scribe> ACTION: Editors to implement the the change in the
specification regarding precedence order wording. (DONE) [recorded
in [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action14]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to provide ruby tests and their
implementation (DONE) [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action15]
Yves: Felix and Sebastian came to a conclusion and generated
examples, only the example on rubyPointer is different
Sebastian: I have implemented this as well, hope to finish
everything this evening
<YvesS> [32]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
[32] http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
Sebastian: could we look at the example together?
<YvesS>
[33]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-ruby-poin
ter-1.xml
[33]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-ruby-pointer-1.xml
Sebastian: i don't understand the following: there are two rules
about <rb>, and you find ruby information
... but why the whole structure for <ruby>
... the starting point is rb, right? why do you need the
rubyPointer? The rubyPointer seems to be redundant
... also on rtc: the rtcPointer points you to 2 nodes, is that
correct?
[34]http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/#abstract-def
[34] http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/#abstract-def
Felix: you need the rubyPointer for the "common" attributes at
<ruby>, see the ruby definition above
Sebastian: could we have an attribute at <ruby> to make this clear?
Felix: how about xml:lang?
Sebastian: so now about the problem that several elements match the
pointer attributes, e.g. rbPointer?
Felix: two solutions: have several rubyRule elements to avoid
multiple matched elements, or say "it's up to the application to
check these dependencey"
Yves: rubyPointer attributes will maybe not implemented too much of
the ruby pointer functionality
... Sebastian, can you solve your implementation problems?
Sebastian: think so
Felix: is the output for the simple ruby ok?
Sebastian: looks fine
Yves: should we have a separate example with that?
Sebastian: no, not necessary
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to work on the section on XHTML
modularization for the XML i18n BP document (ONGOING) [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action16]
<YvesS>
[36]http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.ht
ml#integration-its-xhtmlmod
[36]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#integration-its-xhtmlmod
Felix describes problems of the section mentioned at
[37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
074.html
[37]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0074.html
Yves: don't see a technical problem of "should we allow ITS markup
with XHTML in ITS or not", it is rather a choice
Felix: agree. Should we go to HTML WG and ask their opinion?
Yves: fine with me. This is not urgent, right?
Felix: no, we can go on with the spec as is
... could you all give me feedback until Friday on this?
... so that I can go back to HTML WG?
<scribe> ACTION: all to give feedback to Felix on the
xhtmlmodularization section until Friday [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action17]
preparation of the draft
<YvesS> open issues at
[39]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&
order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS
[39]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS
felix: we need to update the changelog so that it contains links to
bugzilla entries, not only AIs. Sorry for noting that late.
Yves: ok
<scribe> ACTION: editors to update the changelog so that it contains
links to bugzilla entries, not only AIs. [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action18]
open issues
Yves: on 3319 - can we close this?
Felix: yes
Yves: 4239 is an editorial fix
... so for PR we need to fix the ruby pointer test and these last
bugs, that is it?
Felix: yes
... on the time schedule I proposed, is that fine with everybody?
(agreement)
(on schedule described at
[41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
076.html)
[41]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0076.html)
f2f
Yves: I proposed two dates
... both don't work for everybody, so April seems not to work
(discussion on meeting dates)
Yves: preference for the week of the 14th, possibly also the week of
the 28th of May
AOB
Yves: next meeting we will vote on the transition request for PR
adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: all to give feedback to Felix on the
xhtmlmodularization section until Friday [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: editors to update the changelog so that it contains
links to bugzilla entries, not only AIs. [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action18]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to send the test suite files to Jirka, Jirka to
validate them [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
[ONGOING] ACTION: Felix to work on the section about XHTML
modularization for the XML i18n BP document [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action16]
[DONE] ACTION: Editors to add the paragraph on "appendix D (Schemas
for ITS)" to appendix D excluding the last sentence. [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are
no "CSS style elements" or the like. [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action13]
[DONE] ACTION: Editors to implement the the change in the
specification regarding precedence order wording. [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action14]
[DONE] ACTION: Editors to integrate
[49]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
061.html into the draft (that's the NVDL appendix). [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Editors to make all editorial changes of proposal in
[51]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
044.html (that's the its:version vs version issue). [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Editors to make text change described in thread
ending at
[53]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
058.html [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Editors to make the change on appendix E mentioned at
[55]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
052.html (That's schematron's reference) [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Editors to modify one paragraph saying that version
attribute should not be prefixed at its:rules element. Modify the
schema to reflect this. [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to change the ODD definitions by copying the
attributes in ITS span without a namespace [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to make the generation of the test report
automatically [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to provide ruby tests and their implementation
[recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action15]
[DONE] ACTION: Yes/Felix to modify the samples and the test data to
reflect the version attribute change [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to fix all errors in test files reported by
Jirka [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to fix example
[63]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRe
fPointer-attribute-1.xml [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]
[49]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0061.html
[51]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.html
[53]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0058.html
[55]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html
[63]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRefPointer-attribute-1.xml
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